This is why I have no sympathy for the “we were lied to” crowd. No you weren’t! You just thought he’d do the awful things to someone else!

Ye, this. It’s not really their fault. There’s no protocol for responsible sites to flag AI content to the search engines. They can’t really be expected to examine each and every site’s bespoke tagging system for their specific way of declaring AI imagery. I hope that changes soon, and DDG could be the pioneers of it if they wanted.

I had a misguided but well meaning friend who tried to reclaim it by putting a sticker on her bass. It was the inverted form to what the nazis used, and had some extra elements to it which should have differentiated it enough to know it was meant as a peace symbol… it was not enough. I don’t think a single person that saw that sticker DIDN’T think it was a hate symbol.

Unholy infant

Which means that teenager was very likely ALSO alive when the last one was made

I agree, the kick is ruining it

ba dum thud

Hey Tesseract, I wholeheartedly agree with this. Fucking ban me god dammit!

Most people found out about the blocklists existence when shit has already hit the fan, and Rimu got to stand his ground. In this sense, it was the same rude awakening.

I can only speak for myself, but no, I knew about it when I signed up. You’ll notice that most of the fediverse is talking about Tesseract, not piefed. That’s because most people that look into the piefed thing, largely go “Eh, not actually that big a deal.”

Not some messiah dev who decides what all PieFed instances serve to their users

Thankfully, this isn’t at all what is happening. This is where you’re being disingenuous. You either grossly misunderstanding, or maliciously misrepresenting what is actually happening, and what that block list represents. It is a prefilled set of defaults. Nothing more.

what choice does user have now

The same one they’ve always had, the single greatest thing about the fediverse is and always has been: There is always another instance. There are several spin offs of piefed, kbin, lemmy, and you can even use things like Mastodon if you like. You do not need to use piefed. No one is forcing you. You have choice.

It’s also an absolutely unnecessary and unwelcome headache for admins

No, it’s not. I have already said that it is a sane (to most people) starting point for admins that don’t want to house extremism.

this is hostile development.

Its a 3 word SQL query. Let’s just be realistic about how hostile it actually is, but even so, we’re not talking about targeted advertising here. It’s only hostile if you happen to want content that is in the default block list, which, again, is open and available. So understand that the following statement is directed at people that want the specific content from the list as it stands today, allowed on their instances, en masse. A) fuck you. B) I’m perfectly happy being hostile to those types. See A).

it doesn’t largely affect you

On the contrary, I am on piefed.social, so I am subject to it now. I find it makes for a much more pleasant fediverse experience. If I am ever negatively affected, by trying to post to something on the block list: First off, it’s pretty obvious why my content is being blocked, unlike tesseract, and if I REALLY disagree with it, I would have several options for recourse. Again, the list is open source. Find something on there that shouldn’t be? Open a ticket and make a case. Doesn’t go your way, and you truely believe you’re being censored? Like I said, there is always another instance.

plenty of people who want to make this place and the world at large better are being shut up by the dev who thinks he knows better

NOTHING on that list makes the world a better place. NOBODY is being shut up by Rimu. As for the other stuff, yes, obviously that aligns with me, otherwise I wouldn’t still be on piefed. The thing is, you are not owed a say in how his software is developed. How he runs his instance, and what he decides to include in the software that runs that instance, is really up to him. He has graciously put the sourcecode up so you can make your own copy where YOUR word is law, but you are trying to villify him for putting up a fence around his home, because you feel some kind of way about not being allowed to piss on his lawn.

I feel like we’re not really getting anywhere here, so I’m going to suggest we agree to disagree. I don’t think there’s anything on that list that doesn’t deserve to be there, and I don’t think it’s in any way being forced on anyone. I think it’s a largely benign, and helpful preset to make setting up a nice instance a little bit less onerous. You very clearly disagree. That’s your right. Godspeed

I agree with you that people should take a look at the block list for themselves. Personally, I have no issue with anything on there being blocked by default. You obviously do. We are never going to agree on that.

That doesn’t matter. It’s still not the same thing, and it is NOT Rimu forcing his political views on unsuspecting users on the fediverse. You are ignoring the target of the two lists.

Tesseract: Targets unsuspecting users. List is hidden. It’s applied blindly to every user of every instance, in secret, and is truely not disableable. It was designed to be secret, which is why it presented as a network error, and was so heavily obfuscated.

Piefed: Targets instance admins. List is open source. Is applied ONCE when the instance is set up, and is EASILY disabled. I’m sorry but if your admin cannot run a simple SQL command DELETE FROM domain, then they have no business managing a public facing instance. The same goes for them not checking the default values that are configured by set up scripts, which is ultimately all this is.

When you pick an instance, you are accepting that instance’s political leanings whether you like it or not. Even if your admin decides nothing is taboo, everything is unblocked, go ham: 1st - that’s free speech absolutism, which is a political stance, 2nd - enjoy your cesspit. It should be part of your research when choosing an instance, as this is the point that you are opting-in

I chose piefed.social knowing that Rimu and I are largely politically aligned, and did so because I was tired of the shit that my old instance was allowing. You’re making it sound like he’s quietly silencing voices he doesn’t like, when in reality, all he’s doing is giving instance admins a jumping off point to cut out the worst of the extremism and propaganda from both ends of the political spectrum. I’ll say it again for the people in the back. There is nothing underhanded in what Rimu is doing, it is NOT AT ALL comparable to the Tesseract situation, and suggesting that it is, is disingenuous.

several left-wing political sources

Tankies. You mean tankies.

For anyone else reading, it’s not the same thing at all. There’s no subterfuge in what Rimu is doing. There’s an admin interface to manage the list for a start, and the list itself is open source and categorized by reason for blocking

Suggesting that this is in any way the same thing as a secret hidden block list that contains specific users, presents as a network error, and has no way to be disabled is disingenuous at a minimum, but I’d go further and say it’s outright disinformation.

wait, what’s this about a piefed dev doing something similar?

And all the onlookers suddenly become Skyrim guards… must have been the wind

They got really mad if you actually called it a VR headset though. It was a “spatial computer” lol

I’m honestly pretty sad I didn’t make the list.

Ramen

There’s only about 3400 billionaires in the world, and wood is a renewable resource, so we could burn the guillotines when we’re done with them and still be carbon neutral!

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A fun anecdotal story is my partner knew someone who worked at a prison in Ireland. Apparently someone was visiting, and saw a pigeon with a little package of coke attached the the leg. They pointed it out to the guard who responded “not worth the paperwork” 😆