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  • And if so, would that entail that the beneficial effects to the group can overwrite the wellbeing of a single individual?

    Nope. This is contradictory with your earlier definition. If morality can’t exist without humanity, then that means morality is subjective. If it were objective, it would apply across the board.

    But if morality is also “Doing what is best for the group, even at the expense of the individual” then you’ve just defined it as objective, not subjective.

    The reality is, morality is subjective. But it’s not chosen. It’s part instinct that derives from us being social animals, but it’s also part custom, tradition and culture. There is no objective morality, sure, but that doesn’t just mean that folk get to remove other peoples agency and claim the moral high ground.

    How can you find certainty in what’s morally acceptable and what is not?

    You can’t. You just have to listen to your own sense of right and wrong. If it’s too much at odds with the rest of society, you’ll know about it…






  • Powderfinger, two times.

    They’re from my home city and I got to see their farewell concert from their home hometown. Outdoor stadium, and it was raining, but it was an absolutely amazing experience.

    During COVID, they also did a one night only online concert, all of the members recording from different locations. It was amazing to see them back together, and it was a great way to breakup the lockdown doldrums.


  • Except in the case of teleportation, one of them is stopped after the other has started. For ease of making my point clearer, lets say it takes a few seconds after teleportation to destroy the original.

    For those few seconds, there would be two divergent consciousnesses. The original consciousness would not experience the consciousness stream of the copy. It would be left experiencing the inside of the teleporter, and then it would be extinguished. The copy would have access to the memories of the original consciousness, and would infact experience itself as a continuation of that consciousness stream, as would anyone and everyone that interacted with the copy.

    But the original consciousness, the one that was copied, briefly existed simultaneously with its copy, yet distinct from it, before being extinguished.

    Even if you believe that every moment of life is some version of that, where our experience of continued consciousness is not real, where we are “reconstituted” continuously as new versions, with only shared access to memory letting us perceive it as continuous, the teleporter still creates a second stream simultaneously with the first, before ending the first. You have a sense of self that is consistent and continuous. Even if you are recreated constantly, that is not how its experienced. You still fear death, injury, sickness etc, because you perceive those things as impacting you and your future experiences. You place value on your perceived continuation. And the teleporter breaks that, because there is no longer a perceived continuation for the original, only for the copy. And unless the act of copying spreads perceived consciousness across both streams simultaneously, one stream is going to experience its end.










  • It’s never been the same file. It’s been a copy of it. Which is irrelevant in every scenario, and to everyone involved, except from the perspective of the original file, and even then, only if it were conscious.

    If we give the original file consciousness for your hypothesis, that consciousness gets duplicated to the copied files, but consciousness doesn’t get removed from the original. And there are now a bunch of distinct consciousness streams, all of which smoothly continue on from the original, but none of which are the original. And if you delete the original, you delete that stream of consciousness, which makes no difference to anyone, except the original consciousness, for which, it’s a cessation of existence.

    From the outside, the copy is the same as the original. But from the originals perspective, not so much…