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      Too meme is not the best approach. Don’t concede to the zionists their idea of conflating Judaism with their white supremacist ethnostate. Their defense of claiming that criticizing their atrocities is anti-semitism needs to be dispelled to protect Jews in Palestine and the diaspora who are anti-zionist as well and not alienate them.

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        Respectfully to you, fuck that.

        I don’t hate Jews specifically, but fuck every single religious person. I am done with it. How many time do we need to see genocides or wars or just bombings that are solely motivated through religious indoctrination? You may say that they are misinterpreting the words of the Lord or whatever horseshit, but as far as I am concerned every interpretation is exactly as valid as the next because it is all make believe nonsense.

        Everyone is playing pretend and then get upset when some people use that to steer the “play” into FUCKING MURDER!

        MAYBE STOP PLAYING PRETEND EVERY FUCKING DAY YOU FUCKING MORONS!

        If anyone says that their worldview is shaped by their religious beliefs, it is my view that they are a danger to the public should they hold public office.

        Every. Single. Time. I don’t care what those beliefs are or what your motivations are. Religions are fucking toxic in every iteration.

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          Lol gotta live the hypocrisy in being such a staunch atheist that you think you know objective truth but religious people don’t. Like secular beliefs aren’t narrative as well and like we can actually perceive objective reality through our limited subjected senses. Also, Jewish is not always religion. It’s also ethnicity. There are secular Jews. You claim religions are toxic, but your anti-religiousness seems to make you quite angry and toxic.

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            If you can look around at the results of allowing religions to dominate society for thousands of years and tell me that you think it’s going well, or even that we have a good chance of surviving the century as a species, then I don’t think you are a fully functioning human being.

            I don’t know what the objective truth of the world is. But what I do know, is that that truth has never been ordained to earthly man by a burning fucking bush or whatever the fuck your particular religion dictates.

            Arguing over interpretations of the hallucinations had by uneducated people thousands of years ago is not just pointless, it promotes a level of ignorance worship that is highly corrosive to a functioning society.

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              All forms of centralized hierarchical power are bad: capitalism, nation-state, and organized religion. Nothing wrong with decentralized, liberating spiritual beliefs.

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                But those do not include organized religions that have holy books written about ancient hallucinations.

                Spiritualism is fine (generally) but it can still lead to delusional thinking. As in, verifiably false conclusions.

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                  It’s possible to believe in monotheist religion and scripture without supporting the centralized oppressive organization that exploits them.

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            Could you at least pay your own damn taxes? Every religion. Why are WE forced to pay for YOU. Let’s start there, what do you think?

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              Tf you talking about? I pay taxes. I’m not a part of any church. I’m a Muslim who is anti-hierarchical organized religion.

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                You claim religions are toxic, but your anti-religiousness seems to make you quite angry and toxic.

                My use of “your” was in response to “religions”, the topic of your last sentence.

                The pronoun always refers to the last subject… which wasn’t you personally.

                Also, please note that Muslim mosques don’t pay taxes, just like Catholic churches and Scientology and every other brand of religion; many more breaks than any non-profit.

                It’s a religion, you see, so that’s what the fuck I am talking about. Your mosque should pay property taxes et al just like everybody else (whether you personally attend it or not is irrelevant).

                Your mosque is already filthy rich. Enough. “Your” as in the mosque that is owned by those of your religion (Muslim), not you personally.

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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    Israel commiting genocide/ethnic cleansing while the media utterly ignores it?

    Thats utterly preposterous! How could such a thing happen again!? /s

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    They’re covering it here in Europe it’s on the news regularly. The problem is that nobody cares in Europe to do anything.

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        Wyatt should we do? Go to war with America essentially?

        Believe it or not, all people would have to do to stop the government is as simple as stop watching netflix or buying from amazon: the market would panic and so would the government.

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        Sanction Israel for genocide for a start. Cut off diplomatic economic educational and financial ties with them. Like the world did with South Africa.

        But Europe doesn’t give a fuck about genocide unless it’s on their soil.

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            Fair. But if any bloc in the world can do it it’s the European Union. But their members don’t give a shit otherwise they would have by now.

            The fact is no one in Europe cares about it. Years, decades, of weasel words and inaction. Years of illegal occupation and ifnoryof UN mandates. Years of on going genocide. But the people dying aren’t white Europeans… oh well too bad for them I suppose?

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                The sanctions should be on the state who is building colonies and not simply some random settlers and settler orgs

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              Yeah, and Pakistan and Indonesia have done what exactly? The Saudis have sanctioned and oil embargoed the US? Egypt has forced aid through the Gaza border? Turkey has seized American military bases? Right? Right? No.

              Everyone is complicit. More or less every nation would rather have peace and comfortable political discussions, rather than stand up against the world hegemon. Some tried, Libya, Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran. Find me one country that has opposed the US in this? And before you say Spain, let me note that they haven’t even kicked out their ambassador. What do you want from Europe that no other country is willing to do?

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                The difference is that European countries regularly proselytise how open and kind they are and how they respect the rule of law and international human rights. Pakistan / Saudi Arabia doesn’t 😄.

                Everyone is complicit.

                Yes. They are. But Europe should take a lead in this if I am honest. Leas by example that if you genocide people you can’t do business here.

                But that’s not going to happen.

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                  I agree 100%, and as a European I am disgusted by the political elites here and have been since the Iraq War when I marched in protest against their obvious violations of international law. But the so called democracies of Europe are in many ways plutocracies beholden to the plutocracy of the US. I’ve voted, protested, written in the papers and been part of organizations, yet my opinions are by the majority considered radical and unrealistic. But at least in Europe, people like me are not put behind bars.

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              Why are you (whatever your country is) supporting America? Why is half the world using the US Dollar for international trade? How is your country enabling the USA?

              Do you think the USA are Nazis? Do you think if you sit at the table with Nazis, you’re a Nazi? Is your country sitting at the table?

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                Ofc they’re nazis. Our politicians were most probably filmed by the cia on jeffrey island fucking kids. They also murdered leftist politicians.

                My country doesn’t exist anyway we’re basically occupied by the germans.

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        There are European nations that send a lot of money to Israel every year. Maybe they can stop doing that?

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      The problem is that nobody cares in Europe to do anything.

      Many do care but can’t do much about it. Decades of government and capitalism propaganda have empowered authorities beyond control and have make it hard for people to do something outside their work.

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      To clarify, they cover the facts of the matter in a very abstract, passive way - they’ll say that Lebanon is being struck by Israeli missiles and that IDF forces are telling people to leave their homes, but no one will even come close to suggesting that what’s happening is ethnic cleansing.

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          When an israeli official ssy we going to replicate what happened in Gaza. It should be reported because it is a huge important detail

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    Calling out Israel’s actions as a country have been declared “anti-Semitic”, and thus a hate-crime.

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      Ironic since anti semitisms definition includes comparing all semites with jews or a jews state.

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    We have greater fear of the word ‘antisemetism’ being used inappropriately against us than we are to appropriately speak out or take action to prevent the eradication of semetic people In Palestine and Lebanon. Here in the UK it was unlawful with many arrested for protesting in public or online. We cannot be the hand over evil by staying silent.

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      We have greater fear of the word ‘antisemetism’ being used inappropriately against us

      We don’t, governments are using it as a leverage

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    Lebanon’s government and military were actually helping Israel combat Hezbollah. It was the only path towards stability.

    You see the thanks this got them…

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    Only a matter of time before they call it something else and the world’s media just pretends it’s always been part of Israel.

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    Israel is the USA’s military arm in the middle east, it is doing exactly what it was created to do.

    Also, a lot of these borders they’re fighting over were arbitrarily created by the USA and UK after WW1&2 (including Israel of course). These borders have nothing to do with the reality on the ground, enemies were mashed together with their mortal enemies and called a country.

    This keeps prices of their labor low, for maximum profits. Only the royal families make bank

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      You got it all wrong. The US doesn’t want to do this, Israel wants to do this and have bought enough US politicians to pull it off. The US created a monster and it’s in control now. The US also needs a base in the middle east and wants access to Israel’s intelligence apparatus. Any time the US tries to flex, Bibi just threatens to make friends with Russia instead, and if the president is a giant pussy like Biden or especially Trump, they fold rather than call the bluff.

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      For the military arm in the Middle East they sure need a lot of US aircraft carriers and military bases to protect them against incoming missiles.

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        Yes, different “arms” of the military always, without exception, defend other branches of the military, allies, and their bases. They don’t all just sit in their own base and dig in, friend.

        That would be stupid

        You see, the aircraft carriers are big boats, and they hold these jets. The jets fly around in the air and shoot things with missiles and other arms. The important part for my point is that the carrier is MOBILE, and a place for the jets to land. So, of course we MOBILIZED our MOBILE base.

        If an aircraft carrier is used, it is silly to conclude that the country that it is defending at the moment is more than a “military arm”. It’s used everywhere. Get it? That’s what it does.

        I am not an expert, educate me if I am wrong.

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      its also no wonder why they keep targeting IRAN, the original govt before the SHAH was democratic, and they were afraid of nationalization of the oil, so they did a coup and installed the shah which eventually led to the islamic revolution, and they have been trying to get that back since. attacking iran now, likely will ensure the govt remains in place, and the uprising is largely quashed.

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        Yes very much, funding for universities come from jewish/israeli backers, and MIT is a basically a pipeline to the IDF weapons tech.

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        You’ve got it backwards, US and UK formed Israel after WW2, Israel is “our” testing ground and intelligence hub for the middle east. “Our” meaning USA, UK, Boeing, Northrop, General Dynamics, et al, and their respective owners.