Edit: I made a mistake, I meant to add Mailfence instead of Fastmail, but forgot to update both the icon and text
Hey everyone, here’s a follow up to my previous post, I tried to summarize all your suggestions and these are the options I have for the main Proton products I’ve been using.
I removed Bitwarden based on your feedback (basically they’re enshittifying).
I’m not including Tuta, because I dislike their UX/UI, also they seem to not apply their LLM policy to their own devs.
I’m not including Mullvlad, because of one of the founder’s donation to a far right political party in Sweden, said founder has a blog post to justify this, which links to another blog post where he claims to be a libertarian anarchist which is just another word for Ancaps which is a dealbreaker for me.
A lot of people recommended using one’s own domain for email stuff, I forgot to mention I do have a custom domain, which will make migrating a lot easier indeed. Just need to update my accounts credentials.
Let me know what you think!
“I still use Proton because I don’t know which alternatives are better. The problem is that when I look for ways to protect my digital privacy, almost no app seems safer than the others. There’s always something missing, which makes it hard to feel confident that a service is actually any good.”
I am kinda in the same bota. But i think mailbox.org is a solid alternative for protonmail.
My main problem is protondrive.
Mail : infomaniak or tuta VPN : Mullvad Authenticator : Ente auth Password : aliasvault
I don’t think you want to include Windscribe: https://retro.social/@ifixcoinops/117526586958025535
aaaaaand one more to remove, thanks for the heads up
Fun fact about KeepassXC: it also supports 2FA (via manually inserting totp tokens), so you could argue it’s also an alternative to Proton Authenticator assuming you don’t mind having your TOTP tokens and passwords are in the same place. Though I will say having them in the same place is at least better than not having 2FA at all, so it’s an option to consider
If you’re worried about it you could also have a seperate file for 2fa, different passwords. The embedded file and notes features are great for storing the backup/recovery codes good 2fa implementations give you.
I missed the news - what’s wrong with the proton?
You did not include the “office”/“collaboration” section, if you plan to, i suggest CryptPad
What’s your experience been with CryptPad? Never heard of it before, does it make sense as an alternative for someone who doesn’t need the collaborative part most of the time?
I had a great experience except some little bugs that they fixed, it makes sense to use it even if you don’t need the collaborative part but i wouldn’t use it over LibreOffice et similiar if I don’t need the file to be on the cloud
@inlandempire@jlai.lu , I said I’d write about bitwarden and here I am. Trollaccount69: promises made, promises kept.
Bitwarden is good. People saying it’s bad are either mistaken from not reading news reports closely enough, completely unwilling to accept a company as opposed to a small open source project or don’t consider cloud services worthwhile when they could be self hosted.
I’ll start with the last one first.
I self host a lot of stuff. Many people have a little computer in the closet, some have mini racks, a few have full size frac racks. I have two full size racks in different physical locations separated by miles. The point of saying that is not to brag or flaunt undiagnosed mental illness but to make it 100% clear that I am not opposed to self hosting by any measure.
A few years ago I was in a natural disaster. It wasn’t predictable or common and while some of the conditions that precipitated it had a generous parry window the effects were outsized and still linger to this day.
My local server was rendered inoperable and my offsite was damaged beyond recovery. Conditions in the area prevented consistent access to the internet so my cloud backup was not an option. Afterwards I did not have power or Internet at either my home or offsite location for two weeks. Even in the case that I did, my focus was on keeping my family warm, fed and housed.
The experience immediately afterwards had a lot of what might get called second factors or one time tokens or just shit you gotta write down and every group involved wanted to mediate the process through their website or some other computer system not least of which is the us federal governments now monolothic login.gov (what a fucking name).
Maybe you see where I’m going with this.
If it weren’t for bitwardens ability to access secrets securely through a web browser on an untrusted computer I would have had a much different experience toting handwritten copies of important logins, passwords, tokens, codes and even just notes to remember in sweat soaked waterlogged pockets.
Bitwarden isn’t the only cloud password thingy that has that functionality but it’s the one with the longest history of dudes popping up to “well actually” out the way their website access works when someone says “browser? That’s not secure!”. So I’m not gonna waste your time with that. It is secure and you can do your own research and come to that conclusion yourself.
The point of writing all that is you probably would be what a disgusting race of people with bad teeth from an overcast island in the North Atlantic would describe as “proper fucked” in their nasty, brutish imitation of the English language if you couldn’t get to your selfhosted passwords. Imagine if that coincided with a bonafide cortisol experience.
Cloud services can be described as a lot of things. A safety net against local disruptions is part of that.
Alright working backwards from that mess, it’s fine to be skeptical of companies but they do represent stores of expertise and often act as the benevolent supporters of open source projects either through a direct relationship like Bitwarden, keeping the maintainers of an open source project employed so they can continue working on the project (often as part of their job responsibilities) like Bitwarden or even just using the profits to prop up the free side uh, like Bitwarden.
Off the dome, and I will not be looking this shit up, the first thing comes from people seeing some small indicator and freaking the fuck out. Recently it’s a change to an acronym that describes the companies values. Literally come on. Red hat is basically the IG Farben of open source but no one is fleeing the Linux kernel because of their involvement. Another recent freak out came from a new ceo who took on venture capital. The company intends to broaden its user base and provide its service as a trusted third party in an increasingly fractured world, that takes capital and the part no one seems to be willing to hand to ceos, leadership. There have not been tangible changes to bitwardens free service as a result of these events.
My favorite Bitwarden freak out is the tos data collection one. Someone posted the terms of service and highlighted that user data could be collected and used. Now that’s something! Wait, it was the terms of service of the website, not the service (an important legal shield in some jurisdictions) and was just boilerplate. There was no evidence ever provided that Bitwarden collected user data in any way other than that which is part of rendering a web page (how big is the viewport, what protocols do you support etc.).
If you take anything away from this, hell, if you even read down to the bottom and see this sentence: don’t discount cloud password vaults, you may end up relying on them during a trying time.
replace KeePassXC with ChiPass, which is a fork without AI
Migadu supports custom domains and is one of the few email providers that does not limit the number of domains, aliases or mailboxes. Instead their pricing is based on storage and the number of emails received and sent.
I’m going to give Mozilla’s new mail service a try next weekend. I think it’s called thundermail or thinderbirdmail.
Would you consider NymVPN? I’ve been using it for a few months now and it’s pretty good. It’s backed by PhD level Cryptography and it’s open source but the parent company is still for-profit. I think it’s an actual good use of blockchain too. Also it’s decentralised! Fedi should love it but I never see it mentioned.
What is PhD level cryptography
Is there port forwarding? I noticed they mentioned split tunneling
Not currently. I noticed they mentioned it was part of their road map last year but seem to have quietly dropped it. This year they mention working towards Nym2.0 which will contain a lot of extra features. Hopefully port forwarding! As it’s decentralised the Nym team do actively listen to the community so if there’s enough people asking for it I’m sure they’d implement it.
Thanks! I’m stuck with Proton through most of next year anyway, so I’ll keep an eye out.
will add it to my list, thanks for the suggestion!
I can’t switch again, for the love of god(s) I’m old and tired.
I would recommend doing a little more research into Mullvad and not rule it completely. I had the same stance until recently when someone pointed out a few facts.
The Örebro party is actually pretty interesting. Most of thier policies are pretty reasonable and forward thinking. Other countries would love to have some of the things they are advocating for (shorter work weeks, free public transport, and lower politician salaries, to name a few).
Just because one of the founders donated his own money to the organization doesn’t mean the company as a whole supports it.
Many of the VPNs being suggested may not have founders with crazy political views, but in my experience and other research, they are either extremely slow or have very few servers.
I will be switching to Mullvad in the very near future.
Literally Hitler wasn’t that bad of a person. He was a huge animal rights activist, he spent a lot of time and money improving Germany’s transport infrastructure, and let’s not forget all the scientific strides under his leadership! /s
Ah yes, remigration & calling nonwhite migrants “parasites” is quite forward thinking.
It’s still money that came from the profits of the VPN. A very substantial amount too. I’d like for you to reconsider the VPN choice if possible.
We used to enjoy using Proton, but over time, it began to resemble a large, impersonal corporation. Moves like the introduction of a “workspace” plan or tendencies toward monopolization are clear indicators of this. Switching to Disroot—a far superior alternative—has been invaluable for us; Disroot truly values its users. Although they are experiencing some issues at the moment, it’s not a major concern—every system encounters problems from time to time, and we are fully confident that these will be resolved soon. We highly recommend Disroot as an alternative to Proton; it is, in a word, a fantastic service.
Not a great sign when searching for the app results in this:
Major hardware failure on storage server! Due to major hardware failure on our storage server, some of the services are currently offline. We are in the process of rebuilding, which will take quite some time. Until then:
1. Email - Access to mailboxes is not possible, we have setup temporary storage to provide access to incoming emails for the time being
2. Nextcloud - Files feature has been disabled until the issue is solved, calendars, contacts, chat etc works as normal
3. Cryptpad, PrivateBin, Lufi, Forgejo - are disabled until the storage issue is resolved.
We are really sorry for this situation and we will do our best to solve it as soon as possible.
Please click here for updates
— The Disroot Team.
You are absolutely right, but the situation is clear; no matter how angry you may be, this is not an issue that can be easily resolved. Please reconsider after some time has passed; this situation causes us a great deal of distress as well, and I am truly sorry for what has happened.
This reads like an ad from LinkedIn
This is not an advertisement; it is simply a genuine, long-term user experience.
What’s the thing with ChiPass vs KeepassXC?
No idea, but the chip ass (this was autocorrected but I’ll leave it :D) repo seems like a clone of KeepassXC…
They’re porting KeePassXC to Qt6 and banning LLM usage.
https://codeberg.org/ChiPassor maybe leave all the passwords in the cloud of the mozilla?
You could, but the cloud is just someone else’s computer. If mozilla messes up and deletes a bunch of people passwords, like google did a few years ago, or they have a data breach like lastpass you’re screwed.
If you choose to rely on any cloud password manager, I recommend maintaing a local database with at least any emails that will be needed for resetting passwords, 2fa recovery codes and anything else you consider essential to get through a failure of the cloud datbase.
The inverse is true for anyone running a local database. An encypted copy, of at least the essentials, should be somewhere remote they can access without needing to lookup a password from their local database.
I’ve done it. I’ve installed KeePass. I’m learning how to use it and setting it up.
Welcome to the club.
Remember the 3-2-1 backup rule. You are now directly responsible for the saftey of your database. You can’t blame big tech ai vibe coding.
For mobile android, I reccommend KeepassDX.
For ios I recommend Keepass Touch (one-time $2 for autofill & touch-id).
Most people, myslef included, use syncthing to keep the database syncronized between devices when they’re on the same wifi network.
Android is easy, the app is Syncthing Fork.
IOS is a tad harder due to the apple file management restrictions, but möbious sync works very well as a front end for syncthing (one-time $5 for unlimited sync jobs, not needed if only use it for keepass).
Both apps don’t always stay running the background (ios apps can’t even if they wanted too), so you do have to have to activly open the apps once in a while to sync.
Beacuse of that, it’s important you set syncthing (or whatever method you use) to resolve conflicts when both “sides” have been modified since the last sync have by making a new file instead of overwriting one. You can easily merge the two datbase files back into 1 on desktop through keepassXC, delete the copy and let syncthing propagate the updated folder.
Alternatively you could use a cloud provider of your choice to host the file. As long as the keepass app can access the cloud provider’s files. A “keep file offiline” feature is very helpful too. However, the same background process sync limitations will be in place. You will need to see how tge cloud provider handles conflicts, if it just picks and overwrites the loser, that could result in data lose.
Another note, automatically syncing between devices doesn’t count as a true backup. If the database file gets corrupted (or you accedeidenty delete somethingg and clear the recycle bin) and that file is synced everywhere else, what good are multiple copies of the same bad file? You should be able to go back a week or two (syncthing does do file history if enabled).













