I noticed that AI posts tend to get reported so I figured maybe we just make them officially disallowed.
Agree/disagree? Post and tell us why!
Fuck that shit off permanently please
Generated stuff is a waste of bandwidth and storage space. Ban ban ban
Music has been one of the most powerful tools for human expression since the dawn of time. Ban.
Agree on banning AI. Music is written, not generated.
Edit: generative sequences have been a thing for a long time, this new type of generative music muddies the terminology.
Absolutely incomparable technologies…
Please, at least, finally, seriously consider the terms, and technologies in question, @can@sh.itjust.works (aka. TrashCan).You compare a calculator-like… or a clock-like marvelous solid system without any feedback logic, with a system as unpredictable LLM with an algorithm that is designed to change the output on every iteration.
You turn off the modular system, your reset it, and you may trust it to start over.
LLM? LLM has its indefinitely accumulated data set initially “trained” on numerous copyrighted human work and meatground into pieces no one is responsible for.I am sorry, but have you seen works of Colin Benders even?
In the former, within a modular synthetic system, you execute commands and control the electricity and logic flow manually.
In the latter, you prompt in dear hope, and wish all Gods that token-burning input will finally produce an “output” you want.AI art is not art. It is a horrible void-empty bloody nonsense no one I know would like invest their finite life time into…
Human music is art, that is supposed to support people in communication that is impossible to express in general terms. This why I listen to music in the infinitely magnificent world we appeared… I listen to people. You?
I’m going to open a cable shop next to where this man lives…
Source (Colin Benders Live at Amsterdam Dance Event 2016…) [comments]I appreciate the detailed response. I want you to know the point I was trying to convey aligns with yours. They are clearly incomparable, of course, I was strictly struggling with wording since the terminology we were used to now commonly refers to other things.
Edit: also, I make music, and I’m inspired by human artists expressing their experiences, we’re on the same page
I see. Thank you, and I appreciate the clarification in response!
The dear terminology, languages, and misunderstandings… Isn’t that why art exists in the first place, indeed…
To support the creativity mentioned:Obviously, there’s no creativity in AI, and especially in art.
AI makes no art, and there’s nothing to search for in it, also considering the amount of different people works and effort meatground into digital limited/sampled quantized data. It’s noise.
There’s no place for a machine in it, otherwise it becomes limited, lacking, and lifeless.
Art exists for people, us the humans to communicate with each other through time and narrow channels as general languages.> “There are always two people in every picture…” ~ Ansel Adams
Source (AI struggles with true creativity compared to humans, study finds…)
It’s noise.
Perfectly and succinctly put
Ban everything AI
I don’t want to talk about clanker work, there’s plenty of good work humans are doing
can we keep the Weird Al stuff though
ha im so funny
Such as? Jk?
weird AL yankovic 🤣
Agree, ban the spam
Yes ban AI music completely. For a comprise I’d be ok with a regular ai music thread if there was any demand but i dont think there is.
AI music is a technical exercise, not art. Ban it
I’ve seen two takes on AI
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they hate it
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they find it tolerable at best
Even the trash bots who promote it always take a moderate unoffensive stance so they can’t shill it too hard.
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Allow AI posts if they are one of the following :
- something interesting that can’t be achieved through traditional means
- something that is created in direct lineage of the programmer’s work (eg : someone builds a specific AI based system to actually make music in a novel way, like, idk, taking in barcodes and generating music based on the data in the barcode)
- something that is made through a custom workflow that took effort on the technician’s part.
- Anything that is procedurally generated as part of a semi-determenistic system (eg : sheep in minecraft pressing buttons by accident , sound of twitter)
Technically, you might need to ban the song “skullgrid” since it was composed using procedural generation software. But, it was composed that way, but then recorded by metal musicians. https://beholdthearctopus.bandcamp.com/track/skullgrid
Obviously, yes, ban slop AI stuff that’s “here’s enter sandman regge style” , here’s my “smoky blues space album” that’s just them putting the title into suno AI.
There are also people that worked on this kind of stuff before the AI … mainstreamisation? Like Dadabots , who worked with the musicians and with their permission and everything. I don’t want that kind of stuff to be banned. https://dadabots.bandcamp.com/album/coditany-of-timeness is from 2017 and it would be a shame to lump it in with everything else.
https://github.com/MeltwaterArchive/Sound-of-Twitter … which is currently down, or deleted or fucking whatever.
Basically : I want to see experimental works that were made using programming and data re-interpretation. I don’t want to see “I put farts through AI and here’s the generic output”.
I think you’re conflating “AI” (LLM) with procedural generation. The former should be banned, the latter allowed.
Kinda? I know what the difference between LLMs and proc gen is. I don’t think that it will be clear if a ban comes into place, and people are so knee-jerk at anything that isn’t 100% human made that they will care and demand anything that uses any kind of artificial intelligence or non human composed and played music be burned at the stake.
Also, I think that LLM based generation is a subcategory of proc gen. I think LLM based stuff *can* be set up in non slop ways to create non slop work, and I want the “experimental” high effort LLM stuff to be treated as such.
colloquially we all know ‘ai’ means generative large language models like gpt and copilot. nobody says ‘ai’ these days - especially in the context of question of the post here - and means sythesizers or minecraft or purpose-built and tailored narrowly scoped machine learning models integrated in software. we would say these other terms we’ve used here just like we have.
I feel like you’re making valid points for interesting use of the technology. The problem is that only accounts for such a small percentage of AI output, that it is impossible to moderate for. It takes someone very skilled with the tech to be able to achieve what you are describing. I also don’t think anyone is going to nitpick over someone performing a song written by AI as the artists performance is the human element we identify with.
Ban AI here and there can be another community for that kind of content.
I disagree, it’s not that hard to moderate. Lemmy is not a legal system, if a mod mistake happens no one gets hurt. Appeals are easy, and you can specify in the rules that AI content must come with a disclaimer and description of why its OK if it wants to stay, otherwise it gets banned with everything else AI.
For the 0.1% “OK” AI songs mods just have to stop and read a sentence description, its not an overwhelming burden for something that maybe comes through once a month.
I agree that we should start with a ban all AI content. But we could easily make exceptions for actual effortposts like those listed in the parent comment. It’s not a huge leap. AI slop? Banned. Novelty from someone who used a tool that included AI? Well its not really slop, so don’t ban it.
Technically, you might need to ban the song “skullgrid” since it was composed using procedural generation software
Was the procedural generation software trained using other artists’ works? Or is it more like a drum machine with baked-in algorithms written by software developers? If the latter, that’s not “AI” in the sense that this thread is primarily discussing.
Or is it more like a drum machine with baked-in algorithms written by software developers?
even better, using a scripting language that calls algorithms.
EDIT : Fair point though
Yes. Please. I block any comm that has AI in its feed. I don’t want to block this one.
Agree. Clanker punks fuck off.
I think this might be relevant here
https://youtu.be/U8dcFhF0DlkI’m not a creator but I spent a big part of my life surround by people who played music, some for a living.
Nowadays I listen to music from different styles and origins. I have also switched to online human curated radios and my own library.
There are some good YT channels that provide live performances of artists that I think I’ll never get to see live, and I truly appreciate that, but I have never felt the same as to when I listen to live music. That sense of community is there. It can be 50 or 20.000 people and I can’t explain it but I know it’s there.So… I think you are voting to ban AI content here?
Yes
disallow.
