Three ICE agents accidentally shot themselves in the leg during routine training exercises within two days last year.
  • UltraMagnus@startrek.website
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    2 个月前

    The fact that the negligent discharges often involve experienced officers should be a wake up call that ICEs recent behavior isn’t new or just because of Trump - the incompetence is baked in.

    • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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      2 个月前

      That’s what’s surprising. All the shootings, intentional and otherwise, are exactly the result you’d expect from adding a bunch of untrained morons to the group. But most of the incidents are from dudes with 5+ years experience. What the fuck.

      • hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        2 个月前

        Honestly it makes sense. Most incidents are due to complacency with rules/procedures. A new guy joins and follows every rule to the letter, but more experienced people think "Well, I’ve gone all this time without an incident and bent the rules a little here and there, and it’s not been a problem.

        You see it happen all the time working around heavy machinery. The new guy gets trained on the Limb Mangler and is absolutely terrified of it, so he follows every rule to the letter. The experienced guy has worked with the Limb Mangler for 10 years and knows that the correct process for un-jamming the de-gloving reels takes like 45 minutes and is a PITA, he also knows that you can quickly wiggle the jam loose with a pair of pliers and get it up and running without a stoppage at all. Everything is fine, until it isn’t, and suddenly you’ve got skeleton hands because you didn’t feel like taking time to properly de-energize and LOTO tag the system.

    • Urist@leminal.space
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      2 个月前

      There’s no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it’s not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.

      • Machinist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 个月前

        Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I’ve heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.

        • Urist@leminal.space
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          2 个月前

          In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence

          That is the correct argument. This isn’t an accident, this is pure negligence.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        2 个月前

        I’ll agree that negligence does not equate to accident, my young child and I have been working on that lesson for years. But intent is a bit of a stretch. If it was actual intent, I’d be overjoyed. This is more of a dumpster fire just doing what it does.

        • Urist@leminal.space
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          2 个月前

          You misunderstood what I’m saying. I’m saying this was a negligent discharge. It wasn’t an accidental discharge since those don’t exist. And it wasn’t an intended discharge. And it wasn’t a mechanical failure by the manufacturer or designer of the gun. The only other option is negligent discharge.

    • fonix232@fedia.io
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      2 个月前

      And that also makes him the greatest artist.

      I mean consider this… using nothing but the concrete walls of the Führerbunker as canvas, his own grey matter as paint, and his trusty sidearm as a brush, he created the most impactful painting of humanity.

    • hector@lemmy.today
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      2 个月前

      Until they start blaming protesters for it. Like Israel when their occupying forces run over their own unexploded ordnance and they blame it on hamas.