You are either ignorant or so desperate to pretend China is not a tyranny that you will actually say outloud that the state is controlled by the people. What a joke. It is so far from that I don’t even think a conversation is possible with you. We must first agree the sky is blue to have a conversation…

Of course it’s based on idealism. The correct path to progress is to think of the ideal, then compare it to the current situation, identify what is missing, then close the gap.

So many commenters on here are caught up in comparing which is better: China or the US?

That is a waste of time and mirrors the ridiculous two party propaganda that wastes away American politics.

The truth is both systems are terrible.

COVID was barely more lethal than the common flu so both countries completely overreacted. Your idea of humanity being the reason they used militarized forces to bolt people’s doors in is a joke. China historically overreacts with their concentrated power as proven time and time again. Once of which resulted in the potential LARGEST loss of human life in all of history. How many did Mao “accidentally” kill in the name of creating a humane world? 30 million? 50?

The idea of fetuses pulling as high as skyscrapers has nothing to do with propaganda or justifying criticism. These are real facts with the number of abortion being 10 million per year. No country comes close to this number. It will factually create a skyscraper every single year.

I actually lived in China and the US in my lifetime. Believe me there are plenty of positives about that society that are far better than the US. But overall comparing the two existing systems… they both suck.

Lastly, the reason an ideal capitalistic structure can exist is because of technology. The point you have failed to cover (despite using AI to generate your arguments) is that humans are failed aspect of capitalism.

There is no comparing the competitive dominance of this system for the last 100 years. With barely a fraction of the same populous of China, the US sits comfortably with no potential military threat and is now leading the AI race. It’s a fools game to pretend that progress is not worthy of consideration in the best system. But to prevent the absolute abortion of human rights, it needs an infallible system to enact the foundation which I previously described. Some obvious choices are: corporations must have regulated profits to own housing and housing must have a cap on ownership by corporations, healthcare must be universal and promote preventative measures rather than for-profit reactive measures, centralized postal service is one of the greatest examples of a non profit system that has worked for Americans for a very very long time to save them millions and create jobs.

AI could be the answer to enforcing these in a way that cannot be overturned by the interests of politicians and corporations finding common goals to destroy morality.

I think we have different definitions of how good things are going.

In my mind the scientific breakthrough phenomena is an interesting one. The US just defunded their universities and research programs across the board. So they are truly not even competing in that space at the moment.

Right now the world is desperately racing to AI dominance because the innovations in warfare are so tragic, they are left with no other option. The US leads in this space which implies that all innovation will soon be greatly enhanced with these tools.

To me, 99% of people on the planet are interested in a handful of common ideas: health, family, housing, entertainment, and a good job (I’ve not heard a better definition for this than: challenging, make an impact, fairly compensated).

I honestly don’t care much about comparing the US and China in these regards since neither match the systems I mentioned before which are capitalism with a foundation of human rights paid for centralized non profit organizations or communism with high satisfaction and reduced concentration of government power.

If 99% of people are aligned on these topics, the reality is all war, conflict, government powers, regional economic competition are unnecessary. The government should be for the entire planet and simply administrative. That is the true ideal. Everyone gets to vote on their administrative tasks based on performance and efficiency markers every year.

No need for presidents, militaries, etc.

Still waiting for the teacher to show. Let us all know if your mood improves enough to discuss.

Ya covid was barely worse than regular flu viruses when you compare the death ratios. And I’m progressive by the way. I got the shots and locked down then saw that all the smart money was in healthcare, the vaccine manufacturers and insurance.

If the west cared about their economies then why did they require vaccine cards to enter grocery stores or the work place in their most populous areas?

I truly don’t understand where you get these ideas or care which country is better. Both suck. The people of this world deserve better than either has to offer. That is the conversation I’m trying to have.

Yes, the concentration of power is absolutely the problem and you’re free to debate with some supporting argument besides “nuh uh.”

When was the last time you visited China? Have you ever lived there? The government rounds up religious minorities and genocides them. They once encouraged people to speak up about how they can improve upon society then threw all the people who did in prison for 35 years. Musicians, professors, concerned parents… that’s inhumane Chinese prison by the way. The one child policy barely was removed recently and there are still abortion clinics on every corner like Starbucks in America. Maybe they are 66 on your list but the number is 10 million fetuses per year. That is multiple sky scrapers worth. That’s what I’m talking about.

Free speech is not available anywhere. That is a criticism for all governments.

I’m not sure why people insist on comparing the US and China in the format of “which is better,” but both truly suck. I could argue at least the US has a path to change through voting and the checks/balances of power, however that argument is increasingly weak.

The last couple sentences you wrote are absolute proof that this forum is bombarded with bots and the votes are not real. But also proved to me your premise for economic systems is devoid of realistic plausibility for the near future.

The only way to avoid downvotes is to stay silent.

Do you understand the word “intent”? Do you know the history of founders trying to install this intent, but being forced back by those slave owners? If you do, then I believe we both agree the intent was good and the execution has failed.

Nothing you said contradicts anything I wrote, so I’m struggling to understand why you started your comment this way. To say “everything wrong with my post” then address nothing I wrote… I’m not sure you should be quoting literacy at all.

You’ll find I’m highly critical of both China and the US once we discuss further.

Lastly, there is no chance in hell China’s literacy reached 97%, not will it as long as rural lifestyle continues with no need for it.

I’ll bite.

China is not communist. But we should talk about different economic systems because that’s the ultimate goal.

Communism in itself is a true ideal as long as output exceeds intake and satisfaction is high. It’s also possible on a global scale, if not designed for it.

Capitalism is also a true ideal as long as it’s built on an immovable foundation of human rights paid for by centralized non profit corporations.

The issue has nothing to do with the ideas themselves. The issue is and always has been the concentration of power.

It is the ideas of the few which can never properly represent the masses. Even with the best intentions. The only true ideal for power is that there is none except when handled by all. The US Constitution seemed to have this idea in mind with its intent, though it’s evolved into the same old concentration of power over time. Doesn’t matter which party either. The reality is power is so concentrated now that there are no true parties anymore. This is a mafia that transcends both sides.

So no China is no proof of anything except improper concentration of power. Mostly capitalist by the way. And totally tyrannical in their wielding of power against free thought, sex, religion, etc. It’s practically anti freedom and contradicts every protected class we have in the US.

Does anyone have the statistics on how many abortion occur there? Even if you’re pro choice, the piles of discarded fetuses could reach skyscraper height. This is not a normal issue to have. How many illiterate? How many old people died while they were bolted inside their homes during COVID?

If the question is what system would you be willing to put your life in the hands of, there is only one answer: which one has the most distributed power and wealth above the rest.

Now that’s a cool thesis statement ;)

When I heard about neuralink first, I went down the rabbit hole of how communication could evolve beyond body language, speech, and reading/writing. Conveying emotion directly sounds incredible, especially when considering the visuals and other potential sensory information possibly transmitted.

Though, there are probably some awful discoveries about humans to be had even with the best intentions. Still I’m a proponent of truth over comfort and I hope your idea can be realized.

Just don’t be shocked when average people have a highlight reel of primal sexual thoughts on repeat, totally superficial programming or constant crippling quiet anxiety.

We often present in a way that society approves of or in a way that engages society in a beneficial way to us. The inner thoughts aside. To reveal that, could change the perspective on even loved ones.

I’m implying that most of the issues of the world are from corporations and billionaires working with the government of each major nation to hoard wealth.

All of our resources should be spent on reducing government power across the globe and instilling the will of the people.

Stuff like this is not relevant in those pursuits. Taxes, healthcare, peace, housing, individual rights… frankly anything outside of those topics should be seen as leisure. Which some time should be allotted for, of course.

I also simply take offense anytime people tell others what to think.

Nothing personal. Just my two cents.

Wth kind of waste of resources is this crap? With the argument: think good thoughts? Might want to do a self examination first before recommending to others…

It’s all in the name of harm. You can probably group the reasons for the broader picture.

Oh please. Don’t you see they always keep you squeezed just enough so the hopeless balance of inaction is protected?