“Vote in the primaries!”
“I do but the party actively undermines democracy during those. Repeatedly, openly, and unashamedly.”
“Yeah well they’re allowed to just choose whoever they want anyway so you have to vote for the neoliberal in the general.”
They’ll just move the goalposts. When my sister went QAnon crazy she started spouting all sorts of bullshit like the moon landing being fake.
I pointed this out to her, and she just insisted that later moon missions were real and planted evidence for the faked early ones. I also pointed out OP’s point (if the landing was faked, the USSR would have called out that bullshit) but she insists she’s smarter than the KGB.
I don’t speak with her anymore.
You’re the one disconnected with reality. You seriously think you’re winning an argument by petulantly saying the same irrelevant thing over and over. The vote count is not relevant to this discussion when the main offenses occurred before a single vote was cast and very much influenced the course of the election. That’s why the corrupted DNC in collusion with the Clinton campaign did them in the first place.
Right, the vote from the election where the winning candidate installed a sycophant as head of DNC who eventually had to resign in disgrace because she was actively rigging the election for Clinton. The election where the Clinton campaign siphoned funds from state races for her own campaign. The election where the Control campaign had documented authority over what the DNC could say. The election where the media, working for the same elite class, reported Clinton as insurmountably ahead before a single primary vote had been cast.
That’s the election that you think the end vote is even a little bit relevant for when people are talking about how it was a corrupt election? Give me a break, you’re just a standard issue neoliberal apologist.
No, you infantilizing asshole. The fact that you’re still pushing this stupid game means you clearly don’t intend to argue in good faith. The fact that even after making me explain a very simple and straightforward statement you still think the vote results are relevant to a discussion about the corruption of the 2016 primaries means you’re just yet another liberal apologetic. If you’re unwilling to grapple with the fact that the DNC is a corrupt organization, we’re done here.
No, I’m saying the election itself was corrupted in order to feed the victory to Hillary. Superdelegates, DNC-run smear campaigns, election rigging by limiting debates to reduce the visibility of the outsider. Accusations of sexism simply for not supporting the candidate with a vagina.
Manipulating votes is not the only way to rig an election, you can do a lot just by manipulating the voters themselves. The DNC admitted to this, they didn’t have to run a fair election. So stop pretending the end result of a blatantly corrupt process justifies the process.
Do you really think the vote results of a corrupt election somehow make that election not corrupt? How are we still having this stupid ass argument in 2026?
I guess Putin really does have 88% support in Russia. That’s what the vote says after all, so it must be true.
Weekend like bookend, both sides.
Seriously, so fucking infuriating. How am I supposed to not be critical of the people who handed Donald Trump the presidency twice? And the first time they literally directed media outlets to prop him up in the Republican primary.
Right, I’m the problem with my one vote in a state that’s gonna give their electors to the Democrat no matter what I do (but I vote for the shitty neoliberal in the general anyway). Not the elite class who gave our country to the fascists because that’s what their donors wanted.