Phil Aroneanu, Irreplaceable’s executive director and a co-founder of the climate organization 350.org, told me he believes that climate advocates initially floundered because they acted as policy wonks. They thought that making evidence-based arguments about the dangers of melting ice sheets and rising sea levels to receptive congresspeople would be enough to pass nationwide climate legislation. Today, Aroneanu said, movements are built not necessarily on what people think, but instead on what they feel. For climate, that meant fossil-fuel-divestment campaigns, protesting oil pipelines, and the school strikes led by Greta Thunberg. People are already “feeling the squeeze,” Aroneanu told me. “And we should be pointing that anxiety and that anger in the right direction.”

What is with this attitude of dismissing regular people’s opinions as “feelings” in comparison to their own rationality? This is like those people who would really like to be anti-AI but find it more important to nitpick the water usage numbers and point out how agriculture uses so much more water anyway, in order to form a “better” opposition.

“California is, I believe, the only state to give health insurance to people who come into the country illegally,” Kauffman said nervously. “I think we probably should not be providing that.”

“So you’d rather everyone just be sick, and get everyone else sick?” another reporter asked.

“That’s not what I’m saying,” said Kauffman.

“Isn’t that effectively what happens?” the reporter countered. “They don’t have access to health care and they just have to get sick, right?”

Kauffman contemplated that one for a moment. “Then they have to just get sick,” he said. “I mean, it’s unfortunate, but I think that it’s sort of impossible to have both liberal immigration laws and generous government benefits.”

Do I need to comment on this one?