Increasing numbers of Australians are using medicinal cannabis for anxiety, depression, insomnia, substance disorders and more. Is it safe? And does it work?
Just because a bunch of people use it for self medication doesn’t mean it’s an effective treatment for those conditions or that it can’t exacerbate those same conditions.
Lots of things that “everyone knows are true,” have been disproven through research.
What would make data from 1980 relevant compared to data from a current state who’s not under prohibition? Do you think normal people were jumping to take part in a government approved cannabis study when it could have them sent to jail for 25 years ??? Cmon man think about the data sets we’re using here.
It seems like you’re all really happy when some loosely slapped together science confirms what you think so I can see why that is the common criticism around here.
it said we did a meta analysis and it was in conclusive due to lack of data. They hug tight onto a 2016 study that confirmed what they wanted to say. wonderful abstract paper, that patted themselves on the back and drew some conclusions almost out of thin air. I learned soooooo much.
"There was insufficient data for ADHD, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and tobacco use disorder. Cannabinoids were associated with a greater risk of all-cause adverse events compared with placebo, but no higher odds of serious adverse events or study withdrawal. This Article systematically evaluates the efficacy and safety of cannabinoids for some of the most common indications that they are used to treat, providing clarity during a time of expanding clinical use. Sleep issues, post-traumatic stress disorder, and depression are some of the leading indications that cannabinoids are used to treat, yet there were only four randomised controlled trials for sleep issues, three for post-traumatic stress disorder, and none for depression that examined cannabinoid efficacy."
DID YOU??? CAN YOU THINK AND BREATH AT THE SAME TIME? Said the same thing I did. Not enough evidence.
Bro they sent you to jail for 25 years for cannabis use in 1980. Their study is based or biased studies. There is no unbiased study of cannabis that exists under prohibition. Broooo
Choosing to use corrupt data, corrupts the whole study. I dunno what’s so hard to understand it’s just really fucking simple. This isn’t some anti-vaccination conspiracy. There was a drug war. Billions of dollars a year eradicating cannabis and incarcerating people. We’re gonna use that government sponsored data in our modern studies???
So they studied a cannabis study from 1980 when cannabis was wildly illegal across the nation, and we were in the height of a war on drugs. We were supposed to trust that that data is valid enough to be included in a modern study?
Sir, did you even complete your high school education? I didn’t have to read more than a page of that study because the foundation of it is completely flawed.
How far has the clinical definition of depression drifted since 1980? You’re not even comparing the same disease at that time scale. It’s like no one even thought about what data to use in their data analysis. I think the stigma around mental health in 1985 was only rivaled by the stigma of drug use. What are we really studying here boiz?
Now im in the meat of it. They’re using studies with 35 participants. Seems super thorough. Great number makes the 200 participant study seem massive in comparison. They can barely draw a a conclusion due to the sampling size. lmaooo meta data analysis with bad data. Like I said I didn’t need to read this trash. but here I am. 23% of US adults use cannabis I’m sure they can run a real study if they wanted to learn something.
You’re going to have to point out where I was incorrect, they claim they used a model to exclude bias, but also included studies from the period of time. Is there something I need to look at directly. It reads just like any other cannabis study out there.
Here’s how we debate things when we can rub to brain cells together. From the article.
“There was insufficient data for ADHD, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and tobacco use disorder. Cannabinoids were associated with a greater risk of all-cause adverse events compared with placebo, but no higher odds of serious adverse events or study withdrawal. This Article systematically evaluates the efficacy and safety of cannabinoids for some of the most common indications that they are used to treat, providing clarity during a time of expanding clinical use. Sleep issues, post-traumatic stress disorder, and depression are some of the leading indications that cannabinoids are used to treat, yet there were only four randomised controlled trials for sleep issues, three for post-traumatic stress disorder, and none for depression that examined cannabinoid efficacy.”
i heard this same argument during covid by anti maskers pointing to whackadoodle “researchers” that were presenting “alternative facts” about the dangers of prolonged mask usage and vaccines.
smoking / eating / drinking cannabis products helps me sleep, get my hunger back, have a few laughs, and relax. i dont use it often. but its there when i need it, and its worked wonders for me. this article also ends with them pushing SSRIs. which is hilarious and obviously suspect because the epstein files revealed how SSRIs were pushed heavily because they make people numb and docile to the fucked up world the epstein class created. and that we all live in.
perhaps the best mode of treatment is to fix the system we live in, instead of removing our ability to even feel that its wrong, or have the motivation to do anything but numbly scroll between memes and drones bombing children.
let people smoke pot if they want, its far better than dealing with a bunch of alcoholics and SSRI zombies who cant cum. lmao.
The SSRI zombies are so keen to try to act like taking pills every days is better than taking cannabis once a week again: and they still can’t get that nut.
My comment wasn’t saying that THC doesn’t have real world benefits, but anecdotal evidence usually isn’t a good counter against research. There’s a reason research is still done on things that “everyone knows is true.”
Take insomnia, for instance. THC might help you go to sleep, but research has shown that it can interfere with REM sleep to lower your overall sleep quality.
But every brain is unique and different substances will affect people differently. There will always be edge cases where people respond to a drug differently than the general population.
In my own anecdotal experience, THC doesn’t treat my anxiety and depression, it just makes me ok with being depressed and anxious while they both get worse. It’s just a form of escapism.
As an aside, never go off of what an article says about a study. They will often misrepresent the results to further an agenda. This was partially bad in vaping research a decade ago.
All of the articles written about the heavy metal study failed to note that the levels were orders of magnitude lower than what was in cigarettes, were significantly below OSHA levels for people working with them on an industrial scale, and in some cases they were lower than atmospheric levels.
Any population base tested or questioned about cannabis is going to be immediately tainted by the fact that they are fearing for their goddamn freedom when they talk about cannabis.
Anecdotal evidence usually isn’t a better replacement for real evidence. I agree. But we have more anecdotal evidence than studies. Half of this country smokes weed, but we won’t admit to it and we’re not allowed to do test around it and half of us will lose our jobs if anyone found out about it.
You’re being incredibly disingenuous to try to pretend like there are a bunch of valid studies floating around after 100 years of prohibition. Any studies that have been allowed are all politically fucking motivated because they’re all approved by the government that created the prohibition.
You sound like you’re smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. think about it for a second. Your studies are incredibly biased.
Just because a bunch of people use it for self medication doesn’t mean it’s an effective treatment for those conditions or that it can’t exacerbate those same conditions.
Lots of things that “everyone knows are true,” have been disproven through research.
Ha ya research is so easy to come by after 100 years of global prohibition.
Bro, this article is about research that was done.
You can’t say we need more research then ignore research that doesn’t conform to your held beliefs.
What would make data from 1980 relevant compared to data from a current state who’s not under prohibition? Do you think normal people were jumping to take part in a government approved cannabis study when it could have them sent to jail for 25 years ??? Cmon man think about the data sets we’re using here.
It seems like you’re all really happy when some loosely slapped together science confirms what you think so I can see why that is the common criticism around here.
Did you even read the abstract of the paper? 1980 was the beginning of their search range, not the only data used.
it said we did a meta analysis and it was in conclusive due to lack of data. They hug tight onto a 2016 study that confirmed what they wanted to say. wonderful abstract paper, that patted themselves on the back and drew some conclusions almost out of thin air. I learned soooooo much.
"There was insufficient data for ADHD, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and tobacco use disorder. Cannabinoids were associated with a greater risk of all-cause adverse events compared with placebo, but no higher odds of serious adverse events or study withdrawal. This Article systematically evaluates the efficacy and safety of cannabinoids for some of the most common indications that they are used to treat, providing clarity during a time of expanding clinical use. Sleep issues, post-traumatic stress disorder, and depression are some of the leading indications that cannabinoids are used to treat, yet there were only four randomised controlled trials for sleep issues, three for post-traumatic stress disorder, and none for depression that examined cannabinoid efficacy."
DID YOU??? CAN YOU THINK AND BREATH AT THE SAME TIME? Said the same thing I did. Not enough evidence.
Bro they sent you to jail for 25 years for cannabis use in 1980. Their study is based or biased studies. There is no unbiased study of cannabis that exists under prohibition. Broooo
There’s no point in research that proves what people don’t want to hear. This is why Trump shut down the NIH.
Choosing to use corrupt data, corrupts the whole study. I dunno what’s so hard to understand it’s just really fucking simple. This isn’t some anti-vaccination conspiracy. There was a drug war. Billions of dollars a year eradicating cannabis and incarcerating people. We’re gonna use that government sponsored data in our modern studies???
YOU THINK DRUG RELATED DATA PRODUCED DURING A DRUG WAR IS RELEVANT?
So they studied a cannabis study from 1980 when cannabis was wildly illegal across the nation, and we were in the height of a war on drugs. We were supposed to trust that that data is valid enough to be included in a modern study?
Sir, did you even complete your high school education? I didn’t have to read more than a page of that study because the foundation of it is completely flawed.
It’s funny that you’re criticizing someone else’s intelligence while being confidently incorrect about the data used for the meta analysis.
How far has the clinical definition of depression drifted since 1980? You’re not even comparing the same disease at that time scale. It’s like no one even thought about what data to use in their data analysis. I think the stigma around mental health in 1985 was only rivaled by the stigma of drug use. What are we really studying here boiz?
Now im in the meat of it. They’re using studies with 35 participants. Seems super thorough. Great number makes the 200 participant study seem massive in comparison. They can barely draw a a conclusion due to the sampling size. lmaooo meta data analysis with bad data. Like I said I didn’t need to read this trash. but here I am. 23% of US adults use cannabis I’m sure they can run a real study if they wanted to learn something.
You’re going to have to point out where I was incorrect, they claim they used a model to exclude bias, but also included studies from the period of time. Is there something I need to look at directly. It reads just like any other cannabis study out there.
Here’s how we debate things when we can rub to brain cells together. From the article.
“There was insufficient data for ADHD, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and tobacco use disorder. Cannabinoids were associated with a greater risk of all-cause adverse events compared with placebo, but no higher odds of serious adverse events or study withdrawal. This Article systematically evaluates the efficacy and safety of cannabinoids for some of the most common indications that they are used to treat, providing clarity during a time of expanding clinical use. Sleep issues, post-traumatic stress disorder, and depression are some of the leading indications that cannabinoids are used to treat, yet there were only four randomised controlled trials for sleep issues, three for post-traumatic stress disorder, and none for depression that examined cannabinoid efficacy.”
What is with you leaving multiple comments on each of mine? I’m done engaging with you.
i heard this same argument during covid by anti maskers pointing to whackadoodle “researchers” that were presenting “alternative facts” about the dangers of prolonged mask usage and vaccines.
smoking / eating / drinking cannabis products helps me sleep, get my hunger back, have a few laughs, and relax. i dont use it often. but its there when i need it, and its worked wonders for me. this article also ends with them pushing SSRIs. which is hilarious and obviously suspect because the epstein files revealed how SSRIs were pushed heavily because they make people numb and docile to the fucked up world the epstein class created. and that we all live in.
perhaps the best mode of treatment is to fix the system we live in, instead of removing our ability to even feel that its wrong, or have the motivation to do anything but numbly scroll between memes and drones bombing children.
let people smoke pot if they want, its far better than dealing with a bunch of alcoholics and SSRI zombies who cant cum. lmao.
The SSRI zombies are so keen to try to act like taking pills every days is better than taking cannabis once a week again: and they still can’t get that nut.
My comment wasn’t saying that THC doesn’t have real world benefits, but anecdotal evidence usually isn’t a good counter against research. There’s a reason research is still done on things that “everyone knows is true.”
Take insomnia, for instance. THC might help you go to sleep, but research has shown that it can interfere with REM sleep to lower your overall sleep quality.
But every brain is unique and different substances will affect people differently. There will always be edge cases where people respond to a drug differently than the general population.
In my own anecdotal experience, THC doesn’t treat my anxiety and depression, it just makes me ok with being depressed and anxious while they both get worse. It’s just a form of escapism.
As an aside, never go off of what an article says about a study. They will often misrepresent the results to further an agenda. This was partially bad in vaping research a decade ago.
All of the articles written about the heavy metal study failed to note that the levels were orders of magnitude lower than what was in cigarettes, were significantly below OSHA levels for people working with them on an industrial scale, and in some cases they were lower than atmospheric levels.
Canada legalized pot years ago,and now we have an increasing number of syndromes being defined and having to train ER to recognize.
There is no physiological way to get high and not effect proper neurotransmitters, that’s what high is.
Any population base tested or questioned about cannabis is going to be immediately tainted by the fact that they are fearing for their goddamn freedom when they talk about cannabis.
Anecdotal evidence usually isn’t a better replacement for real evidence. I agree. But we have more anecdotal evidence than studies. Half of this country smokes weed, but we won’t admit to it and we’re not allowed to do test around it and half of us will lose our jobs if anyone found out about it.
You’re being incredibly disingenuous to try to pretend like there are a bunch of valid studies floating around after 100 years of prohibition. Any studies that have been allowed are all politically fucking motivated because they’re all approved by the government that created the prohibition.
You sound like you’re smart enough to comprehend what I’m saying. think about it for a second. Your studies are incredibly biased.