US chicken companies pioneered restricting sleep to keep birds eating around the clock.
A new study (Li et al., 2026) recommends giving chickens just 2 hours of darkness nightly to maximize the time they spend eating. The study and photo are Chinese.
We know chickens have far better hapiness with 7–8 hours of darkness to sleep.
But they eat more and grow faster when they are sleep deprived.
fuck this a thousand times. hens deserve better.
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This is a stupid fucking take and an overgeneralization. I for example buy certified humane pasture raised eggs from my local co-op that are supplied from farms literally within an hour’s drive away.
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How fast do you shovel down your food? You should enjoy it some more … oh, right, I’d probably also would want it to be over quickly if I had to eat vegan.
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Is that why animal abusers season their animal flesh with…… plants?
Hey, I don’t discriminate. I eat all the kingdoms of life!
any archea in that diet?
An all or nothing stance is part of the problem though. If doing good is defined in a way that is difficult for people to achieve, they will feel like they can’t do good and give up before they started.
Anything we do to improve the lives of animals or remove some suffering does exactly that.
Going vegan is not difficult.
Going vegan is wrong. Going vegetalian may be right, but comes with extra needs.
Going vegan is wrong because it leeds you to choose clothes made out of petrol rather than wool, while wool would last longer and need less ressources on the long run. It leeds you to choose your food from fields using petrol engines to be farmed and reject those using animal traction.
Yes, there are not much field cultivated with animal traction. And this has caused a near extinction of the animals used for traction. Those saved are risen by humans, so non-vegan friendly. Going vegan is willing the extinction of all animals risen by human unless they can still handle themselves in nature.
Vegetalians may agree at measure to let animals survive thanks to human interactions, and could accept some domestication of animals. They may use wool, they may accept vegetables arrived to the market carried by a donkey (and prefer them for that reason to the ones bringed by a truck).
Yet, to be vegetalian, you need a good access to medicine, in order to check you remain healthy, and to correct the mistakes you may make. This access isn’t easy everywhere in the world.
Weird mind gymnastics you’re doing here.
Going vegan is wrong because it leeds you to choose clothes made out of petrol rather than wool, while wool would last longer and need less ressources on the long run. It leeds you to choose your food from fields using petrol engines to be farmed and reject those using animal traction.
Cotton, manual labor and electric engines.
Yes, there are not much field cultivated with animal traction. And this has caused a near extinction of the animals used for traction. Those saved are risen by humans, so non-vegan friendly. Going vegan is willing the extinction of all animals risen by human unless they can still handle themselves in nature.
Then we should help animals thrive in the wild. Stop hunting, stop killing forests, stop taking their land, and all that stuff. You mentioned none of those.
Vegetalians may agree at measure to let animals survive thanks to human interactions, and could accept some domestication of animals. They may use wool, they may accept vegetables arrived to the market carried by a donkey (and prefer them for that reason to the ones bringed by a truck).
The current living cows, pigs and chickens are bred to extreme artificial amounts for your pleasure. This is not natural. If we stop breeding more animals and kill off the remaining alive ones, eventually it will balance itself out again. We are not helping them by breeding them and killing them. That’s a selfish fallace so you can sleep at night.
Yet, to be vegetalian, you need a good access to medicine, in order to check you remain healthy, and to correct the mistakes you may make. This access isn’t easy everywhere in the world.
You do not. I personally do a blood check every year just in case. Funnily enough I only had a tiny vitamin D deficiency because I worked inside a lot. Besides that I just eat what I want, vegan of course. I merely added legumes and beans to my diet, and changed some meat things in my dishes for more veggies. It’s really that easy. Super easy and you’ll actually be even more healthy because meat is not healthy.
Your fallace comes from claiming there are only two ways, the hard industrial process or the vegan way (which requires hard industry too).
There are other ways, efficient enough, if we step out of consumerism and capitalism. Yet, if we don’t step out of that, your plan to let natural places to wild animals is an unrealistic dream, so I guess we agree to step out of that (tell me if I am wrong).
Accepting manual labor question me a lot, since one of the base argument of veganism is that human is an ordinary animal and so have no right over other animals. But so, I don’t get how you finally accept productions of humans but not those of other animals. Even when the human workers have no choice but are exploited by a system torturing them.
In my view, it is not a question of right humans would have over other animals. We inherit of a situation. Our ancestors have forced many animals into an unfair contract where we protect them of other predators and take care of their needs, in exchange of their production and meat. It was unfair from start. We have built our civilizations thanks to that unfair contract. Now that we reached a technological level which allow us to do without them, we would just fire them and let them try to survive on their own in the lands we accept to let them?
Wouldn’t it be more moral to have more consideration for those we have forced to be our allies? The contract was already not fair, cancelling it just because it is not at our benefice enough anymore is not something I see as a superior morality.
I don’t understand your point. It makes no sense. What do you want exactly? You want to keep them in farms but not eat them? Or keep them in farms and still eat them? Your argument is incomprehensible. There is no such thing as overnight veganism. And as we move towards a vegan society, animal numbers will normalize and become natural again. That’s just a fact.
So how much is the animal ag industry paying you?
Are all those who disagree with you paid by someone to be part of a great conspiracy?
Nope, only those who have a suspicious preoccupation with arguing against vegans specifically, especially when their arguments are cartoonishly dumb and aimed directly at demonizing the very people who are just trying to make the world less cruel.
vegetalian
Apparently this isn’t a diet where you only eat Italian food. I’m disappointed.
It is difficult to get adequate nutrition on a vegan diet.
It requires being able to read about nutrition and putting that knowledge into practice - which involves making meal plans that take into account the various mineral and vitamin requirements that we have in order to be healthy.
There are significant accessibility barriers when it comes to eating a healthy, vegan diet.
It is not an easy feat for the abled, and in addition there are factors such as socio-economic status and associated challenges that can make it less accessible for people.
It is difficult to get adequate nutrition on a vegan diet.
It is not. Eat your legumes, beans and some nuts and look for B12 fortified foods. That’s it. Keep in mind that most people are unhealthy on non vegan diets, and that meat is fortified with B12 too because the animals don’t get it in nature. So it’s but a small change for an equal nutritious diet.
It requires being able to read about nutrition and putting that knowledge into practice - which involves making meal plans that take into account the various mineral and vitamin requirements that we have in order to be healthy.
Again, not really. Same counter argument as before.
There are significant accessibility barriers when it comes to eating a healthy, vegan diet.
This is true. Fast food becomes hard to find, so you’ll have to actually start cooking now and then, which is something a lot of unhealthy non-vegans are scared of. Besides that everything is already available in every first world country supermarket.
It is not an easy feat for the abled, and in addition there are factors such as socio-economic status and associated challenges that can make it less accessible for people.
It is an easy feat. But you are correct about your “status” in society. You’ll often get people trying to argument against being vegan. And those are all the same arguments you’ve heard thousands of times, all of which have long been disproven. They’ll tell you you are unhealthy and that it’s hard, but it’s easy and you’re more healthy than them. You get people coming up with arguments not because they believe them, but because they want to believe them, so it justifies their own non-animal-friendly diet. It can be hard, but only because other people make it hard like you do.
I don’t make it hard. I would love it, if it were easier, but unfortunately it isn’t.
It is difficult to get the adequate nutrients on a vegan diet. Research the required nutritional values for your age, gender and body type. Type the values into a nutritional application and track your food intake throughout a certain period, the longer the better. With no diet planning on a vegan diet, it is unlikely that you will get adequate nutrition.
It’s true that people who do not adhere to a vegan diet can be unhealthy. The difference is that their diet does not set them up to be unhealthy if they eat healthy ingredients and do not plan their food intake. If you are vegan, don’t plan your meals on the basis of nutritional knowledge, and only eat otherwise healthy ingredients, you are still at risk of becoming unhealthy because of malnutrition.
You come off as someone who is generally privileged and has no respect for the different barriers that people face.
You are wrong.
Instead of downvoting, I would love to hear your counter argument.
I didn’t downvote your reply. I suggest using some client or service that shows who downvoted you before making assumptions, like you do about being vegan.
I didn’t address you specifically, rather the people who downvoted.
My comment is based on science-based nutritional facts, not assumptions.
I am not coming for you. I am simply trying to have a discussion based on facts.
I made a vegan meal the other weekend for an estimated $5. Enough to feed 8 or 9 servings.
Lentils, onion, carrot, flour, spices, oil. Vegan food is poverty food, and it can be very tasty. Socio-economic status associate challenges is … not an acceptable answer though.
I generally find it exasperating to discuss matters within this topic with Americans, as there is a lack of acknowledgement regarding class issues. I’m sorry for the generalization, but I just don’t have the energy.
Socio-economic and class issues are more than the price of ingredients. But you are right that buying ingredients to cook a plant-based meal can be low cost.
issuea related to a lack of time are generally skill issues
I’m not vegan and I don’t support this.
If you purchase meat from these companies - you very much do.
If you don’t want to - there’s an extremely obvious solution available.
Ultimately all manner of meat consumption in industrial societies amounts to genocide and torture. All we’re doing is slightly negotiating the degree of suffering inflicted.
Veganism means we don’t give a space to farm animals anymore. We (humans) have modified them in such way they can’t survive in nature ; especially in the few nature we would let them. How can it have an other result than the genocide of all that species?
Industrial exploitation of animals count as torture and should be stoped for that, yes. But it is not a genocide: it makes sure the species remain alife. The genocide is vegan.
Welfarism seems to me the research of the best compromise: keep that species alife and in better conditions.
You would wind down reproduction over time like anything else. Chickens, ehem, non meat chickens, roost in trees. Im near certain chickens,would have predators yes, but theyd be alright.
to be vegan is to genocide the farm breeds is a wild take
I am sorry, I think I did not understand your argument nor on what it was based. Could you please reformulate it?
I do not purchase meat from those companies
People support this with their wallets. It’s simple supply and demand.
I do not :)
Then you would either be vegan or a hunter.
Neither, I just don’t purchase from these companies. I couldn’t even if I wanted to, the described practice is illegal where I live.
If I want an “ethical” chicken, I can buy one. A five pound bird cost $40. Are you rich? lol Or you have your own farm.
supply and demand is a theory about price discovery. it does not change whether someone is responsible for their own actions
If you pay somebody for meat, you are giving them money that they can then use to breed and kill more animals. So by paying you automatically support such things.
they can choose their own actions. i don’t choose for them.
I don’t think you understand it at all. Or you don’t want to as a way to justify your own eating habits.
That is nonsense and just plain dumb. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Modern day agriculture is reliant on livestock to keep our current levels of farming efficiency. Farming aimals is a requirement for modern agriculture.
We just eat to much meat, eating no meat at all will cause so much more problems than veganism would solve.
Do you eat vegan meat replacement products? Did you know the world’s largest meat supplier (JBS) owns many of the companies that make them? So do Danone (dairy company), Müller (dairy company) and Nestlé (just vile in general).
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This is true, the choices aren’t great. But even that being the case, you are still sending a signal to those companies which kinds of products you’d prefer to buy.
A lot of grocery stores have data-driven inventory systems now. Buying more plant-based options does ultimately help more of them become available.
buying a thing increases demand, which increases the price
Do you make it a point to be wrong about as many things as you can?
I’ve been a vegetarian for 27 years and you make me want to eat a hamburger. There’s some great advice in this thread about how to begin transitioning to veganism.
And then there’s you.
Some vegan asshole who wouldn’t let me go on my way (I had to wave at a police officer) told me being vegan is easy, you just have to eat carbs. I’m vegetarian, I live in an area where most people are obsessed with eating meat, but he insisted on having a go at me.
Not necessarily, you don’t have to be a vegan to not eat chicken or eggs. What about people who only eat seafood, although that is getting increasingly unsustainable with the amount people eat.
What about just eat the invasive things? Honestly would be tempted to if I could legally do it without a shitload of paperwork and licensing to worry about. Though you don’t need a license to catch fish in the sea here the only invasives I am aware of are freshwater or land animals which all require permission.
This is beyond fucked up…I cant stand what we do to animals.
like sneering slurs at a civil rights demonstration. I hope you grow enough to feel ashamed.
embarrassing.
copy pasted from 4chan in 2006.
Is animal torture funny to you?
Pretty sure that one is already dead.
In a thread about animal suffering, they posted an animation clearly depicting an end result of that suffering, which is obviously meant to mock the situation. Therefore, animal suffering is funny to them.
suffering of any kind isn’t funny.
but it sure is delicious.
copy pasted from reddit in 2012
Damn, doubling down, bold move. I appreciate the honesty, thanks for signaling to others that you are probably not a safe person to be around. 👍
of course I’m not a safe person to be around.
I’m a stranger from the internet. what’s wrong with you?
I am looking forward to the day that cloned meat is an thing. It would likely save on resources, be more sanitary, and would prevent the suffering of animals for our pleasure.
However much I enjoy my chicken tenders, I would like less awful to be involved for getting them onto my tastebuds.
What if you found out that “cloned meat” had a partial brain - like the made a chicken with a partial brain - just enough to grow it - fed through tubes - would that be better or worse than now?
Some of the science meat companies make more of an effort than others to reduce or eliminate their dependence on animals, though it’s still not a perfect situations. Have fun with the utilitarians you just invited though. 💩
Except that it doesn’t? Lol.
I was proposing a future hypothetical.
I don’t think it is implausible that chicken growers may find they can genetically modify the chicken to only produce the part of the brain involved in growing the meat/bones/etc. I would bet that this is already being researched as a “halfway” to the “vat of chicken.”
I personally think this is horrendous and gross, but … I just wonder, would other people be ok with chicken “without a brain”?
I’m sort of disappointed I was downvoted.
Partial brain? Meaning a few logic gates or a retarded AI that you command with voice?
Maybe that brain views the extruding of meat product like humans view bowel movements.
If it’s been a while since you tried them, I’d suggest any of the plant-based tender options. Some of them are so good, I’d choose them over animal tenders even if I weren’t vegan.
Shit like this is why I’m trying to plan my path to vegetarian and then to veganism. I hate that I know I’ll relapse if I don’t do it slowly.
I fully cut meat out of my diet two months ago. I get cravings, but the idea of meat is so morally repugnant to me now that I can hardly even handle seeing friends casually consume it. It really sucks because I know nobody will understand if I start talking about it and I’m kinda forced to be alone with these feelings :(
If watching characters work through allegorically similar problems helps, Ravenous is sort of what I imagine that feeling can be like.
Which one? I’m seeing a couple different movies with that title.
As an athletic dude, I wish it were simpler to get a balanced lean-protein diet without meat. I do whey protein or canned fish/shellfish for most of my meals, and that has been working well for me. Kinda boring eating the same shit every day, but it works pretty well.
Every step counts. 🥳
Thank you 💚🐿️
If you want to really see horror, you can watch the film “Earthlings”.
2006, 2024 or 2025?
The one I saw was probably the 2006 one. Last I knew you can watch it on YT
Or Dominion.
Now imagine rogue ai does the same for us
but why?
we eat the chicken. what purpose would an AI have to do this to humans?
Oh, let’s unravel this.
We’re driven by our survival. Sometimes irrationally and pathologically - that’s why people hoard wealth, for example, because wealth has been associated with survival probability and why not.
AI is engineered to be driven by user prompts. By intentions given it by the user. Why not answer the request of being more happy with a suggestion to sit inside a cage?
Oh, let’s unravel this.
proceeds to wrap the concept in a plaster cast
do you even understand what you just said?
Does pope shit in woods
Rogue AI ? I want to do it right away for the people who run these hell on earth operations.
Nope. Technology usually democratize the power, so you have to use AI
Ok a surface-level duckduckgo of “Li et al 2026” only gives me twitter that’s related (which’s also an unlinked image)
I seen similar claims that DO actually have sources before, so I know this type of stuff happens in the meat industry, but still please link the sources.
I wasn’t able to find the article on Google Scholar or Kagi either. Given that “Li” is the second most common surname in the world, it would be nice to have a bit more for a reference.
We may create a world that accepts this and this could become acceptable and eventually get us in ways we cannot imagine right now.
Before deciding to not eat meat just because assuming that every farm is the same, they’re not. Some are very nice: https://youtube.com/shorts/mMNt2p6q1Rk?is=je575dm84zgaSCLu
You can do what you want to do but there is no “nice” or “humane” way to exploit and kill animals.
hope you’re getting paid
in delicious chicken strip tendies.
They breed animals who like to be killed.
This is such a weird argument to have. Whg is it better to kill a happy animal?
Reports like these are the reason I couldn’t stand eating meat anymore. Went vegetarian first but learned soon that vegetarism is just meat eating with extra steps. Everything thats for vegetarians but not vegan contributes to the same suffering as eating meat.
It’s all worth it even with all the shit I get to eat from other guys for being a vegan man.
Get a vegan cookbook,vegan suppliments and be part of the change.
You need supplements? What about pesticides? Any concerns there?
Nah, they’re cool with killing all the non cute animals and destroying the natural habitat of animals to make way for super farms that just kill everything in its path.
Where do you think the stuff the meat animals eat comes from? You think there’s not millions and millions of acres of land producing solely cow food right now? Do they go out and pick all the feed corn by hand so they don’t crush any little mouseys nearby? Do you think a cow might require more food than a human?
It takes far less land to meet dietary needs with vegan food than with diets that include meat.
40% of worldwide grain production is used for animal feed. The calories obtained from eating the animal ~10% of what is used to feed the animal. We could fully replace meat, calorically, and free up more than a third of the land worldwide that is used for agriculture.
I’m not even vegan, but there is undeniably less environmental footprint to eating more plants and less meat.
It seems you missed a few days in elementary school. Poisons and toxins concentrate dramatically for every step up the food chain you go. It is called bioamplification.
Pretty sure they are asking about the concern of pesticides killing plants and animals to protect the food being grown, and where that fits into the vegan lifestyle.
No, there is an incredibly large cohort of meat eaters that come up with creative ways to justify their behavior to themselves. In this case the argument (which I’ve heard hundreds of times) is that if you eat so much more plant matter in order to meet your nutrition needs (i.e. a lot of beans and soy) you are going to eat way more peaticides simply because of the increased volume of consumption.
Such people have never thought even once about what food their meat eats.
Ya there’s not really a good excuse that doesn’t end with im lazy and like the taste. Maybe some dietary requirements or allergies that I’m not aware of I guess.
Its a hard switch but I really should get on it.
Despite what the internet militants tell you, it’s not all or nothing. If every person skipped meat just once a month the impact on global warming would be measurable.
Becoming a radicalized vegetarian over here
if you want to make an impact on the suffering of animals, veganism is it. vegetarians still support the dairy and egg industries, which may be the most cruel.
While i agree that veganism is superior both morally and environmentally to vegetarianism. Lets not forget that its an ideologically uphill battle when fighting the “muh bacon” crowd which are constantly egged on by the meat industry complex.
We should not be advocating for absolutes, even being able to convince someone to reduce their meat consumption from every day to once a week, solely on the basis that its just not healthy for you, is an absolutely massive win and should not be disregarded.
I don’t mind fighting uphill battles, no justice movement has ever begun with guaranteed success.
I see, I guess I need to look more into it. Every time I try I rage quit because it’s so infuriating.
You don’t need to know about the meat industry horrors or the health impacts of meat or benefits of less meat. Just make small changes like finding dairy alternatives you like, or a meatless recipe you like. From there you can continue to make as few or many additional changes as you like.
I really like this approach it’s less overwhelming.
This is the best way to go in my opinion. I started going just plant based with maybe some dairy or eggs occasionally in the home, and still eating meat at restaurants. As I got more comfortable with the recipes I just kept making more changes that felt right. Now I have been fully vegan for over 5 years.
I always tell people don’t try for it all at once. Start small. I honestly think the definition of veganism should be that if you are doing as much as is feasible for you wherever you are at in your life to reduce your impact on animals, then you can call yourself vegan. Fuck the purity bullshit, fuck the gatekeeping. I want to move society towards the goal post of harm reduction for beings that can’t advocate for themselves. I don’t give a shit how vegan you are, just start.
Start with something. Being vegan is still hard to do in many places. Being vegetarian is thankfully much better than it was 30 years ago.
Back in the day I once traveled the entirety of a certain midwestern state where my food options were essentially coffee and salad. I mean, not really, but also kinda. It’s better now.
you can do it!!
I hope so, thank you
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We’re all going to become vegetarian because meat is a luxury.
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Mother cows will cry out for their babies who were taken from them, never to see them again. All because a bunch of assholes refuse to drink oat milk. Fucking awful.
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all of this will inevitably be replaced with lab grown meat anyways.
What the hell are they using to entice them to eat 24/7
Doomscrolling
Yeah, if hell exists these people are going there, fuck, how can you be so disgusting.
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