This would have ended a lot of cartoon series a lot quicker. The hero has the villain on the ropes and “but I would be just as bad as you if I killed you” and lets the villain go so the villan can do more villain shit, repeat.
“You’re right, killing you would mean In just as much of a monster as you! Too bad I didn’t realize that before indiscriminately slaughtering dozens of your disposable henchmen on my way here.”
I liked in Black Adam that they called out heroes just protecting the elite. Too bad that one line was enough for them to all change their minds.
The most infuriating trope in fiction
I like to turn it around in some games where you let the bad guy off then kill them anyway
I HATED this when watching Arrow.
Like dude, you narrowed that dude in the hallway. Your two main sidekicks BOTH use regular guns.
Just fucking kill Raz Al Gul/Damien Dahrk, That Gang dude/EtcEtc
You spent the first two seasons murdering rich people, intentionally, killing this dude trying to BLOW UP A CITY is not a moral gray area. All your friends are like, “Bro, just kill him.” And you are all “We must be better, we must be heroes.”
The Batman way.
“I don’t use guns, I just throw people out of high rise windows”
In such hypothetical situation, it may be a bit more ethical to do like in the Alias series finale. Don’t kill the vilain, let him to starve in a remote place. If he happens to be immortal for some reason, ensure he’s burried deep.
buttt isn’t knowingly putting them in a position where they’ll starve to death just (just) murder with extra steps?
A much less humane form of it, in fact. If you must kill someone, have the decency to do it quickly.
What’s happening with his arm in the first panel?
The ol’ vacuum cleaner attachment routine.
He’s… grabbing his shirt? His skin? With some sort of… glove…?
No idea tbh
I think it’s supposed to represent being cut off or something
Luigi! <3
Oncologist:
Removes tumor
What have I become?
“If I am killing these cells, who can say that I am better than cancer”
It absolutely does. Absolutely disgusting the number of times I have to read in this community that it’s okay to kill because of blah blah blah. Horrible people! You are all horrible people for supporting such an anti-life mindset!
You consider someone anti-life because they refuse to stand by idly while someone kills others?
Do you hold this view consistently, such that you consider police stopping a mass shooter to be “anti-life”?
Or do you pick and choose which murders are acceptable to intervene in?
No. I consider someone anti-life that argues killing is basically okay if you think it’s okay. It’s a made up comic and not one of us really knows what the bad guy did.
But the tone in this comment section feels more like: yeah sure killing others is totally fine if we just find a reason to feel good about it. Wtf? What low level trigger would be okay for you to kill another person without feeling bad?
I’m not the police on a specific mission and I’m not in a country where we have mass shooting. But even in this case I would argue that we badly need to find ways to prevent mass shooting instead of being okay with killing the shooter.
As for crime in general… The more civilized society is the one without the death penalty.
Dehumanizing imaginary people and ease of mind with it, that’s what’s happening here.
That is assuming everyone plays by the rules.
As it turns out, some particular people have turned playing outside of the rules as much as possible and as cruely as possible into a sport.
They won’t be corrected by the rules. They won’t be persuaded by common human decency. Quite the contrary even, they actively and aggressively lean into the opposite direction.
Now it’s against the rules to derail a train. But how much more tragic would it be not to do so if that train is about to run into a hospital?
That of course being a lazy metaphor but I think my point stands.
Death penalties, war crimes, … all things that are suposed to be accepted as par for the course. But for the elite…oh no, that’s a finger waggin.
Killing is wrong, but it is most definitely not a monochrome issue.
No. Criminals by definition do not play by the rules and we as a society have found many ways to deal with them without killing them.
I’m not arguing against justice.
I’m just saying, that, on a fundamental level, it is never okay to kill another person or make up stupidly simplified metaphors to justify killing.
It’s dehumanizing brain rot and if you guys can’t see that you’re really not much better than the made up devils you wish to kill.
“No. Criminals by definition do not play by the rules and we as a society have found many ways to deal with them without killing them.”
Have we? Because last time I checked we still have genocides going on without as much as a slap on the wrist.
Yes we have and when you look at the last century you will see a lot of progress.
What I understand of your comment, based on the context of the post, is, that because things are bad it’s okay for us to be bad as well. That’s really the easiest way to fool yourself.
What I’m led to understand from your comments is that you’d be an Ed Sheeran fan. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
you are joking, right?
I’m not. Do you even have an argument?
you could start by opening a history book and realize progress is never reached outside of power structures with a credible threat of violence. do you seriously think we should not have executed the rest of the top nazis after ww2? edit: typo
Yes I think we should not have killed them. What an easy way out for them…
More so I think, if we’re not fostering a culture of killing again we might get over it completely some days.
More so I think, if we’re not fostering a culture of killing again we might get over it completely some days.
Until another group comes around promising to kill all the peace lovers.
Fine, you only capture and don’t kill the evil killers. Some “learn their lesson”, others only pretend to. If you release them, some will come back with a vengeance. If you keep them imprisoned, you’re treating them like animals/slaves.
Just so I understand your argument:
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Killing is morally wrong.
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Therefore, anyone who kills is morally equivalent to anyone else who kills, regardless of motive, scale, necessity, or circumstance.
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So killing a mass murderer makes you just as bad as the mass murderer.
Is that your position?
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Bang!
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I’m ok with that. I can live with it. I won’t try to twist the justification like the people in power. I will be committing sin and I will be a hypocrite if it means getting rid of the filth causing millions to suffer.
Truuuuue
Yeah, no one looking to be taken seriously would argue that you shouldn’t have taken Hitler out if you had the opportunity.
I’d take the opportunity and I’d sleep soundly that night.
The way I see it, this only applies when punching up. You don’t want someone with a major victimhood complex assassinating people. You also have to be worried about tribalism, differences in what you consider harm, and proportional response. The tribalism point is especially relevant as an evil man can become a martyr and the one killing doesn’t necessarily have to be just as bad to become evil in the eyes of others.
Citation: Charlie Kirk’s death, Luigi Mangione, the Concept of Bloodfeuds, everything going on in the Middle East
Yeah I’ve been thinking this way for years. Pissed people off by choosing the lives of Iranian children over us soldiers
The fucking new season of Daredevil. Fisk literally breaks kids in half, but Matt sends him to jail again so he can break out again in 2 seasons. And fuck those kids.
This is my personal take, but this is similar to an old philosophical argument. Can you use the Masters tools to dismantle the Master’s house? The master’s house in this argument represents systems of oppression/sanctioned violence and the tools are, well the tools. Hope I don’t have to explain that part. Anyway, my personal take is yes you can. You can not use the Master’s tools to build your own house.
In so far as the panel, dude was fine to shoot him. He just has to put the gun down and accept the responsibility of whatever his action causes.
“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
— Vladimir Lenin
