I feel for the dad.
But you don’t prevent crime with a harsh punishment, you prevent it by guaranteeing the person gets caught.
You know how you stop reckless driving? Automatic traffic cameras on every road that send you a nice fat fine whenever you violate the rules of the road.
You’d save thousands of lives every year if every major road was monitored in this way.
There’s a big fucking difference between 120 hours community service and harsh punishment for killing someone’s family
I did 40 hours for marijuana possession.
Edit. i guess each human life is worth about an oz of pot
Disagree hard. The punishment needs to be so severe that these dirtbags never get another chance to ruin people’s lives ever again, period!!!
“Guys, we just have to implement a surveillance state to cut down on traffic violations!”
You see how dumb that sounds when you rephrase it?
Your car and your phone are already surveilling you. You’re just arguing against automatic traffic fines at this point
I’m still for it. Nobody who’s behind the wheel of a car should have any privacy, since the tiniest mistake or moment of inattention on their part can kill or maim multiple other people in a fraction of a second.
Oh yes, because cameras are so very selective and only watch when a car is driving by and only watch the person operating the vehicle.
Everyone ELSE should not be expected to sacrifice their privacy is the point you’re entirely missing.
You don’t curb crime with harsh punishments? So hefty automated fines for minor traffic infractions isn’t harsh punishment?
You are clueless.
A harsh punishment is something like life in prison, glad I could clear that up for you 👍
You’re clueless!
In what way am I the 1995 teen comedy staring Alicia Silverstone?
Flock you, looking for a surveillance state
Imagine instead of roads were designed to discourage speeding, we weren’t as car dependent, and we started taking both drivers Ed and consequences seriously?
If we are going to choose a technological solution then making autonomous emergency braking and electronically speed-limited cars mandatory would actually help more.
Yeah that, coupled with building safer infrastructure, and investing in pedestrian, bicycle, and public transportation infrastructure in order to get people out of cars in the first place.
The reasoning behind it:
“Lack of Proof for Severe Negligence: Under Dutch law (Artikel 6 Wegenverkeerswet), a heavy prison sentence for a fatal traffic accident requires proof of gross negligence or recklessness (schuld).”“No Evidence of Excessive Speed: Investigators could not legally prove that the driver was speeding excessively or that speed was the definitive cause of the vehicle losing control.”
“Lesser Offense Applied: The court convicted him under a lighter traffic article (Artikel 5) for failing to keep his vehicle under continuous control rather than aggravated manslaughter or fatal recklessness, which capped the legal punishment guidelines significantly.”
The original 120-hour sentence was itself overturned upon appeal in September 2015. The higher appeals court concluded that excessive speed was legally proven, sentencing the driver to 15 months in prison and a four-year driving ban.
In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving. A penalty points system was also implemented.
In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving.
why do they always use weasel words ? all the evidence you need is a dead person, you killed someone, ipso facto you weren’t paying attention ,automatic manslaughter charge. Murder would have a higher bar. eg
Not quite that simple.
I’m one of the few drivers who always drives as if expecting the unexpected. I try to never even put myself in a situation where someone could jump out in front of my car and die (by slowing down when passing pedestrians for example).
But that being said, there is only so much I can do. Maybe some day one of you retards will get yourselves killed and use my vehicle to do it. I don’t want to be held accountable for your follies.
So you think the 2 grandparents hid somewhere and then jumped with their bikes and their toddler grandchild in their arms in front of the speeding car?
I knew some muppet like you would try to twist my words this way :)
He didn’t say “in this case, it’s clear that…” he said “all the evidence you need is a dead person.” Pedestrians can never be at fault? BRB I’m gonna go jump in front of a car and set my family up for life
Pedestrians can never be at fault
I’d go as far as almost never.
Like if you can present dashcam footage that the pedestrian hid out of sight and jumped in front of you with no warning while you were not driving too fast for the conditions (which might or might not mean going significantly slower than the posted limit), then that should be taken in to account.
Outside of that? Yeah. Pedestrian being at fault should require incontrovertible proof that the pedestrian deliberately tricked you into being a part of their suicide attempt.
The person not in control of a two ton death machine should not be required to constantly watch out for murderous ecocidal narcissists. All the extra alertness and awareness needed to keep people safe from cars should be 100% on the drivers.
There are legitimate accidents, even if most are preventable. Humans are all too fallible.
I’m at work so can’t watch video but excessive enough speed should be all you need. In my state, +30mph constitutes a major accident as far as insurance premiums go.
Did the chair thrower get off as justified anger?
I got off
Sadly no info on the chair thrower.
Found it!
The father was not charged, prosecuted, or punished for throwing the chair. The Dutch Public Prosecution Service and the presiding judge officially chose not to press charges or seek legal penalties against him, explicitly citing extreme emotional duress and immense grief, stating that they completely understood his reaction given the profound trauma of losing his two-year-old daughter and his parents in the crash.
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2014/11/22/vader_die_stoel_naarrechtergooidenietvervolgd-1-2156081/
Good sleuthing
What a high quality comment. Whatever they’re paying you, it isn’t enough.
don’t worry. whatever he’s being paid for that service, I’ll double it!
Crikey, if I were that judge I’d be very cautious for the rest of my life for handing out such a sentence.
Can the parents/family appeal? Because if not then life isn’t worth much.
I’m coming to the awareness perhaps it never was. And I’m not sure where that leadsbeyond, “What makes human life more valuable than plant and animal life (other than the fact we’re humans and kind of biased)?”
The driver got 15 months in jail and a 4 year driving ban in the end. Which is still pretty low, especially since the article said he didn’t show any sign of remorse.
Shit like this is why a TV series like Dexter could exist. Some people are walking around just fine with themselves after committing a heinous act. If it was an accident, fine, don’t hate yourself forever, forgive yourself eventually, but showing no signs of remorse is something only a trashfire of a person could do
I hope that judge looses her family. What a fucking sick joke.
Didn’t even hit her
Should have thrown it faster.
The easiest ways to get away with murder is to hit someone with your car or be a cop.
Don’t even have to be a cop. Just shoot an unarmed kid wearing a hoodie.
Right, the easiest way to get away with murder is to be white and have your victim be black. All the others are heavily contingent on skin colors too, but the next easiest one would be to be wealthy, followed by being a cop.
Or sick a dog on them
And I wonder why I have so much anxiety while driving while other fuckers seem to be totally cool being insane.
I’m terrified to drive a car.
Honestly, I want a car driven by (a smart) AI, with the vehicle itself designed to be heavily armored and without windows. Just cameras, each put in a spot to allow the car to see around corners, to have a high view of the roads in every direction, maybe some echolocation and infravision.
I don’t want to ever drive, because it makes me feel ill. Trying to figure out how to not cause some sort of disaster, is just not fun.
If it were possible, I would use a teleporter to skip driving outright.
So odd that this thing that happened 12 years ago is getting the rounds do effectively right now. All over reddit and of course all over Lemmy too. Really shows how easy it is for repost bots to control narratives.
We come here to escape this ragebaiting bullshit
I’d cut my penis off and mail it in protest, but I’ve got it out at the cleaners today. Gotta get it pretty for when my AI Malfoid femboy girlfriend bedazzles her puckered anus on stream. Y’know how we do in the Slenderville external prison system, yea?
A friend of mine, Jessica Bullen was killed by a driver looking at the roof of their mouth in the rearview mirror when he plowed into her. The facts were not dispute. No jail time for the driver.
That one woman laughing her ass off. Probably the stenographer, thinks the judge is a cuntface.
I assumed that had to be crying given the context, but it sure sounds like laughter. I’m confused.
Sounds like crying
Def sounded like crying to me
Meanwhile the imax camera keeps on rolling. What a clown show.
It should. People need to see this.
What would you have the camera operator do?
A couple of weeks ago a 19 year old got 8 months prison for killing a pregnant woman with his car. He was going 120 in a 50 km/h zone. The Dutch judicial system is way too lenient when it comes to sentencing man slaughter by car.
Watch him get a worse punishment, too. (Not saying what he did is okay.)
Maybe judges should get some accountability for letting murderers get away with murder
If I were a judge, I would fear for my life to hand down a sentence like that for someone that killed that guys family. Do you want ants?
(what he did was 100% ok)
at his sentencing he could say “I’m sorry, I’ve learned my lesson. next time, instead of throwing a chair, I’ll run over the judge’s family instead, since that’ll only get me 120h of community service.”
that’s fucking bullshit.
sorry I killed your kid, love. oh me? yeah I got out early on account of becoming a daddy myself. sorry about killing your kid. I’m gonna jet and make some memories with my kid now. byeeee…
If you want to get away with murder, do it with a car.
Looking at you Anne Sacoolas, a name that should be infamous throughout the Western world.
For those who don’t know, this piece of crap was driving on the wrong side of the road after leaving a US base in the UK and through her extremely negligent driving killed a teenager on a moped. Instead of answering for her crime, she fled like the spineless excuse for a human being she is back to the US on a diplomatic passport. Seeing as we’re basically America’s Belarus, she never got close to seeing the inside of a British prison and the US actively refused to send her back. If you work for US intelligence you are literally allowed to kill British people in cars with impunity, they’ll even come out and bat for you when you’re caught.
There may be no hell but I hope the rest of her days are as close to it as possible, I hope the guilt in her heart consumes her utterly and she tortures herself mentally every waking moment with what she did, but her actions reveal a callous moral vacuum of a person who no doubt only feels good about getting away with it. Shame on her name forever, shame on the US government for protecting her, and shame on the British government for folding like tissue paper instead of heeding its duty to seek justice for its citizens.
There may be no hell
Haha this is a top tier tshirt.
Found on /c/shirtsthatgohard@lemmy.world
They also didn’t go after Russia after they used weapons of mass destruction on British soil.
Rich people don’t care as long as it’s not their money being hurt.
Don’t even get me started, in another age the negligence with respect to Russia and its influence would be tantamount to treason. In my view Burnham must restore confidence by doing the Russia Report properly.
Also morbid fact, when I took my A-level in physics a question on the paper involved the murder of Litvinenko by the Russian government. If I remember correctly, the question was about the nature of alpha radiation and its property of being relatively benign outside the body but disasterous to inhale or ingest, plus some calculations on the dose the poor bastard was exposed to.
Murder has some pretty specific conditions to apply… Maybe consider reading less /c/fuckcars and more what a capital offense entails…
ai simp->ai/car simpVengeance!
Maybe you should spend more time on c/fuckcars and less being an ecocidal narcissist.
Good peopdont drive cars for personal transportation.
That community took a real fucking hard and quick turn from being a group of people with a decent message about the benefits of public transportation, to some fucking brain dead idiots accusing everyone else of being a criminal for driving a car.
It’s almost like communities built on hate reinforce your worst thoughts.
The worst thought common among humans right now is “there’s nothing wrong with driving”. You didn’t need a community to reinforce that. The bastards profiting off the destruction of the planet will make sure it gets reinforced in every piece of media you consume in your entire life.
When the wars over clean drinking water start, we need to send the people who wouldn’t buy a bus pass to the front lines first.
That’s the “worst common thought”? You’re a parody of an activist.
And you’re an ecocidal narcissist, so I consider your derision a badge of honor.
Translation: that comm took a real fucking hard turn from being. Some polite hippies I could easily ignore into being militants who keep pointing out how my selfish choices affect other people.
Good job proving my point. Get off the internet and touch grass, you could definitely use it.
Good job proving my point, too.
Please stay on the Internet. If you never go outside again you can’t trade my habitable biosphere or my safety for your minor convenience.
You’re right, I should just shoot my fucking daughter too since why bother trying to provide for her when some brainwashed goof on the Internet wants all the benefits of society without any of the underpinnings that drive it forward? Why not?
It’s actually, and this will surprise you incredibly, an absolute lack of empathy for people other than yourself that you lack. It’s that you think everyone is in the same situation and the solution for everyone is a train or a bus or just “better transit” But that’s not the case and it cannot be for everyone. People are being forced to live kilometers away from work, but sure they should sacrifice their lives, the families, their time, every part of the their life to “take transit” so some clown on the internet can “live in a walkable city”.
The other problem is you are literally online too much and brainwashed into this abusive circle of “car = bad” and spouting these big words without an ounce of actual understanding. So yes, please, touch grass and go talk to real people. There is value in what that community is trying to achieve, but what it has become isn’t going to achieve anything other than generate more hate.
Good people don’t insult random strangers on the internet.
The people helping destabilize the environment for their own selfish convenience aren’t random. They are pretty fucking strange though.
120 hrs of community service is insane for a “negligent killing” if that’s what you want to call it. Those kinds of rulings are reserved for billionaires.
The judge found that the prosecution didn’t prove he was recklessly speeding and had to convict him of a lesser offense, which came with a cap on the sentence she could give.
On appeal the court did find speeding was proven and he got 15 months jailtime + a 4 year driving ban.
Not understanding that a pithy internet comment is not going to be words the same way a legal context would employ them as strict terminology is very stupid.
