Context: I was a Boy Scout for a number of years, making Eagle in 2020 right as COVID was really kicking off.

It was right afterwards, however, that the CSA scandal started popping up everywhere (which thankfully I was never exposed to or involved in during my time), and lately it seems like the organization & movement as a whole has fallen by the sociocultural wayside.

I would say that my time as a Scout did me objective good; I learned a decent amount about first-aid & survival-craft, participated in a number of volunteer & civic projects, and it generally made me a more well-rounded person. However, there’s no denying the impact that something “bigger than the Catholic Church scandal”, as I’ve heard it described, has on an institution such as this.

I’d like to get the community’s opinion, however; were any of you Scouts? How was your experience? What is your opinion of the institution today?

  • BurgerBaron@quokk.au
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    Scouts Canada is different I’d guess for history/reputation, not that I’ve looked into it. Wasn’t any religious stuff at least in my experience.

    I was a Cub and a Scout, didn’t continue further. It was rather useful here since we learned winter survival and often did winter camping trips in Alberta. We’d hike out into a forest and set up camp, build tables/kitchen out of snow and stuff like that.

    Then there were summer and winter Jamborees where troops from across the prairies competed in various activities. My favourite was capture the flag in chest deep snow in a field after dark, that was so much fun. They’d also bring out staff from Space & Science centers with telescopes or radio guys with portable radio stations. Besides the fun there was more in depth survival training at jamborees too like how to stay warm or warm up somebody else who is freezing, competions on starting fires without matches/lighters. On and on.

    Of course there’s the badge earning and indoor regular meetups too but my memory is foggy there, too long ago. Sometimes involved carpentry. I still have a wooden chest I made in a school gym with a wolf head crudely drawn into the top with a soldering iron containing a bunch of old model rocketry stuff from when I was that age.

    Also did the wooden model car races. At first it was cars and then later we built semi-trucks including the trailers. I’ve kept all of them my dad and I made.

    Bottle drives and selling caramel popcorn and shit for funding too.

    Only positive for me, my leaders weren’t pedos or overtly religious thankfully. I don’t really remember much about them except one guy going on a passionate rant about how only the first “The Matrix” film was good. I think Reloaded had just come out. Other kids were mostly fine. Didn’t really befriend them but also no bad blood.

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    My kids have been on scouts in Canada for 2 years now. They love it. I’m an active adult helper and I really like it as well. I’m working on doing the training to become a part time scouter.

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    I am an eagle scout and I highly recommend people to join Scouting. It’s boys and girls now and the nature of scouting is a little decentralized with how each troop does things. Troops vary in leadership culture, activities, etc so you might need to shop around for a troop you vibe with around you but I am all for getting outside and learning life skills.

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      That is very true. We have three scout groups in my area and even though they respect each other and often work together, they are mortal enemies and think what the others are doing is stupid.

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    I was a scout, I made it to life then stopped going to church around 15. Even though it was largely connected to church, I remember it fondly. Scout is some of my best memories.

    I think it’s a shame that they have fallen, however, I understand why it has.

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      Same, I was a couple badges and my project shy of Eagle when I finally threw in the towel. Order of the Arrow was great, we got to do tons of fun stuff. As an electrician, i still use some of the knots i learned to pull wire, among other things.

      BSA had a reputation for having a pedophile problem back in the 90s as I recall, though. Im sure it went back farther.

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          I was tapped, but then my scoutmaster stopped me and said “not you” and then his son went. He was a cunt and only helped his sons. I’m glad I broke his ribs when we played touch football later.

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            That’s bullcrap, it must have hurt your feelings. I was sent home from Tomahawk Scout Camp because I was smoking cigarettes. It really affected me to be sent home, it was humiliating. I understand now that I shouldn’t have been smoking there. My addiction was too strong at that time.

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              It absolutely did. It wasn’t the first or last time he was an asshole to me though. He was just shitty all around. Once his cheating wife divorced him he chilled out. Figure that either knocked the stuffing out of him or unloaded a mountain of stress. But it was too little too late. I attribute my dislike of camping to him. He always made it boring and pointless.

              That sucks you got booted from Tomahawk camp though man. That would be embarrassing to me too. Did you make Eagle? I barely did.

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    I’m a former scout and current adult leader in BSA. It isn’t for everyone, but for the kids who click with the program I have seen it be a very positive activity in their lives. Individual experiences can vary greatly depending on the immediate peer group and the environment set by the adult leaders.

    I am very glad that BSA has opened up to girls and LGBTQ+ members, and de-emphasized the religious aspects. I also appreciate the modern focus on youth safety and abuse prevention, though like the Catholic church it’s unfortunately too little too late for a whole lot of past victims.

    it seems like the organization & movement as a whole has fallen by the sociocultural wayside.

    After decades of steady decline, 2019 was a particularly hard year for scouting in the US. The remaining BSA membership was suddenly cut in half when the LDS church closed all their scouting units. The abrupt drop in membership is an ongoing financial crisis for regional councils, who have been closing camps, merging with neighboring councils to reduce overhead, or shutting down entirely. It’s rough out there.

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    It’s an essential part of any battle. You need to get an idea of enemy numbers and movements before you formulate a strategy.

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    I volunteer with them here in the UK after being a youth member most of the way through. I know our respective organisations differ in some ways and I don’t know a great deal about USA Scouts.

    I think we do legitimately help young people gain life skills and care for others. If I had kids, they’d be on the waiting list well in advance of joining age.

    I’m proud that we’re an LGBT+ and neurodivergence inclusive space, by national policy as well as practical local example in many places. I have seen variations between groups though and I don’t think we get enough training on that. I would also say we’re pretty bad at race and class inclusion.

    The biggest downside I feel is organisationally. We suffer from all the usual issues of a big organisation including internal politicking, shitty managers, disconnect between different teams, and putting the organisation’s interests above its professed values.

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    Was never a scout but was in the Air Training Corps which is kinda like the teenage air military equivalent (at least in those with “Royal” in their name). It felt like “RAF-lite”, and I think many of my corps ended up in the service after they completed school. Taught lots of skills including firearms, tracking, stealth operations, radio operations, flying, bridge crossing, capturing bases, teamwork, abseiling and how to march, follow orders, hierarchical teams, hospital corners and polish brass and shoes.

    Also, a great place for a bunch of teens of all persuasions to hang out together and get together in some instances.

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    My parents made me make eagle because “it would help you get jobs when you put it on your resume” but nobody gives a shit so I stopped putting it on there.

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    I begged and pleaded with my dad to take me to scouts, which he wasn’t really inclined to do. Finally I convinced him and at the first meeting, after like 20 minutes I turned to him and said, “I’m bored, can we go?” If I’m being honest, I think I just wanted the uniform.

    Between the outdoor education program at my school and going camping with the families I grew up around, I feel I got most of the skills you learn in scouts: I could tie all kinds of knots, start a campfire, use a map and compass, ride a horse, first aid skills, CPR, etc. I think stuff like that is wonderful for kids to learn, along with the values of honesty, thrift, helping others, and stuff like that are great. But I’m not sure you need to be in a regimental organization to get that. I learned it all from hippies in a coed environment.

    So, some of the stuff seems a little old-fashioned and for that and similar reasons, I didn’t encourage my kid to join Scouts. I should have taught him orienteering, though. That young man couldn’t find his way out of a paper sack.

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    I learned a lot in scouts, but I wasn’t comfortable with the nationalism, pseudo military and Christian overtones.

    I just went camping instead.

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      If it makes you feel any better, the Evangelicals had their own version (think of like Christian music but for boy scouts) that explicitly intertwined religion and nationalism into it. Was straight up child indoctrination.

      I’m not sure why that would make you feel better lol. That said, I wasn’t molested, and I actually did learn quite a bit about survival etc. and a lot it has stuck with me. So it could have been worse.

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        What I encountered were a lot of boys with absent fathers. But we did help out elderly people with shopping and a holiday kitchen. But the same groups that make free holiday meals support politicians who want to fuck the poor the other 364 days.

        I was a kid asking, “but what about all the other meals these people need?”.

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      FWIW, I found that scouting mostly stayed out of religion. There are badges for each religion that you’re encouraged to pursue with your parents and religious leaders so I took it as more encouraging you to follow whatever you believe.

      Granted they assume you have a religion

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    I was a scout. All the way from age 6 until around mid highschool, where I really fell off it. I think overall it had a positive impact on my life. I got to learn about nature and bushcraft and first aid and things like that. I think the worst part was that a number of adults really pushed the “military” shit. Like they wanted to larp as drill seargents to a bunch of 12 year olds. Having too much fun was generally looked down upon. As if we were camping with our friends for some other reason. When I heard the scouts were going co-ed, I thought that would be a push in the right direction. When I was going, most of the leaders were very old. Pretty much all white men. Many were great, but the entire place could use some diversity of thought.

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    Overall a positive experience, bit authoritarian, bit militaristic, but lots of useful skills, fostered a great appreciation of nature and wilderness. Principle seems sound, implementation has shown its flaws.

    Honestly, I can see it being in a good place for a reinvention. Maybe socialist scouts or solarpunk scouts, maybe a whole slew of loosely connected (ideologically distributed even) scouts to give kids a choice. Could give it a chance to become more inclusive and safer. I’m using ‘scouts’ in a gender neutral form, applies to all genders and I see scouting as more exciting than guiding, which may appeal to all kids. Part of the diaspora could be each troop (and their parents) deciding where they stand on gender exclusion. Democracy scouts perhaps (direct at that scale).

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    I’m a fellow Eagle scout and I have an intrinsic bias toward other scouts that have completed their Eagle. It shows me that they hold values consistent or similar to my own. Namely the scout law and oath. Scouting taught me a deep emotional connection to nature and the way I interact with it. As with any organization, there’s going to be failures and tribulations, but I treat BSA guidelines as I do Catholic morality. It is what I make of it and if I take the core values that are meant to be gleaned from what it’s supposed to teach, then it’s difficult to argue that it’s had a negative impact on me or the people around me.

    I would love to see a scouting Renaissance in the next few decades with the inclusion of women and queer members. There’s few other organizations or programs that are as well equipped to teach youth about nature and what it has to offer.

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      I managed to get my Eagle scout badge right before I aged out so I can appreciate what I think you are saying. As a parent, I initially planned on getting my son into scouting but the mess with BSA was enough to keep us away. That said, I still try to embody many of the values that I learned as a scout like always being prepared and respectful and ethical behavior.

      What I think we could use more of is something like the Baden-Power Scouting Association or Navigators USA since they appear to be much more inclusive but I wasn’t able to find a chapter in my area.

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    When i was a kid, i was so enthused by the idea of scouting. When i finally joined up i realized quick it was all a front to recruit kids to the church and I got out of there as fast as I could. I have hated the scouts ever since

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      I hadn’t even considered that angle when I was looking for a cub scout troop for my son a few years ago. I was fortunate enough to be a part of BSA when my dad was stationed in Germany so we were essentially sponsored by the base and there was no connection to a church organization. In the US I am finding that all troops are associated with churches and since I (as an atheist) am raising my son to be a free-thinker I figured there would be friction at some point since we don’t go to church. I was honestly less concerned about gropey scout-masters since I intended to be with him on each trip and am handy with a hatchet.

      IMO and in hindsight, there is also a level of over-the-top christo-patriotism that I basically overlooked when I was younger that makes me want to cringe now as an adult. These factors have been enough for me to take a more informal route to teach him outdoorsman-ship via campouts at state parks since I can’t find any secular scouting options in my area. Its a shame since I did have some great experiences in scouting but I can’t give him anything like the opportunities I had as a military brat in Europe.