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I didn’t expected this kind of thing to show up today.
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I don’t want to use a vibecode slop that isnt tested by real humans.
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I just want a secure and privacy respecting email not ai slop.
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Good Bye Proton I am Not Happy With You
Any Suggestion ?
- I want drive and calender support
- Made by humans not slop machine.
- FOSS
- May Be a Linux Client Support
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Use disroot as it has email, drive and nextcloud calendars for free or if you want your own drive and calendar you host buy a raspberry pi or even use a laptop you have in your spare drawer, install a Linux distro and setup nextcloud for everything on your device
Nowhere in the manifesto did they mention that security is still a priority and not an afterthought despite wanting to move faster and faster with AI. That is the problem. I guess that’s why he’s a CTO and not a CISO. But you would think a company that sells security and privacy as its product would have security-centric folks all the way to top management.
Tuta honestly is the way to go unless there are other options available. Plus if your into cloud services they just partnered up with Nextcloud so they are growing as a platform. Their calander on mobile and PC sucks though, not really the best.
they gave some hints when their ceo started praising fascists.
Yeah. I know thats when I canceled business with them.
Wow, Proton keeps disappointing… Time to leave for me as well! I’m looking at Posteo as I’m worried Tuta will turn into the next Proton. Not only that, I’m sick of being stuck with the apps made by the providers, I’ll use Thunderbird thank you!
Yes getting away from locked-in products is the best option. Buy a domain name + standard IMAP provider means you can very easily switch to another email provider if needed.
I’ve been happy with Posteo + Thunderbird
Attacking their AI policy is the wrong approach.
Attack their BS leadership. They are the problem.
AI can used responsibly to help make things better, but never under leadership like theirs.
Even used responsibly, the fact that LLM “AI” is trained extremely unethically means that any model that isn’t a custom, ethically trained LLM is very unethical to use. I know ethics aren’t popular these days, and I say this as someone who ran a nonprofit for ethical software development before Google helped make it quite so clear that being “Evil” won’t cost a company any money anymore.
Ironically, the only thing worth automating with ai is leadership.
Correction. What the current leadership does.
Not what they should do.
AI can used responsibly
That’s why we’re after their policy.
Attack their BS leadership.
Already there
AI can used responsibly
Not with that policy :)
Agree Its all because of their bad Leadership
I can attack both.
Curious how AI policies like this tend to be red flags for BS leadership. In this case, the two are absolutely inseparable.
Maybe it “can” be used ethically, like Theranos’ blood machine “can” detect every disease.
Theranos is different. There both the business promises and the technology was fake.
With AI, the technology works, but the business promises around them are fake.
Organizations rot from the head, and there is often no way to change a company after 4 layers of management is hired by the bad leadership.
Absolutely true. A company having 4 layers of management is usually a red flag already.
Shitty human for years.
why be disappointed in Proton? every bad headline about them in the past year has been about Andy, the employees don’t like him any more than you do.
The linked article isn’t from Andy though…
Because Andy is the CEO, which means he gets to make a lot of the important decisions, not the people who don’t like him.
This is not the death of expertise. The LLM is fast. You are slow, but you carry with you a lifetime of experience, judgment calls, and understanding.
Listen up Bart, you dumb fuck. If you willingly cede all this creation to the LLM then the last generation of fucking people with expertise are the ones working now! Go down this road and It dies with them.
Because who’s going to bother to learn code when it’s all brain dead chodes like you running the show and telling everyone to hand over the reins…. Oh but of course we’re still the one at fault if something goes wrong because we’re the manager and “Not only are you responsible for the work getting done, you also now own how it gets done.”
Holy fucking Christ, I don’t know if I ever ever gone 180 on an organization as quickly as I have on this one over the past week.
Holy fucking Christ, I don’t know if I ever ever gone 180 on an organization as quickly as I have on this one over the past week.
That’s true. They set a speed-run record for dumb-fuckery.
Currently the situation at where I were. I get paid to lobotomize a bit of myself every single day
Honestly sounds like my average day before LLMs too
Tuta
I predicted this and argued with so many people about Proton being a shitty company. I am not even happy about this, just sad that so many people wasted their time and money.
I’ll be real with you: if you don’t want to use software written using AI, pretty soon you won’t be using any software at all.
It depends on the definition of “AI”.
If you mean "artificial intelligence, then you’re completely wrong because it doesn’t exist.
But, if you mean the vague group of technologies currently lumped together under the grift called “AI”, then yes they’re probably here to stay - although it’s hard to generalize about an imaginary marketing category.
- All I want is a software that works as intended and tested well.
- Dont want anything Vibecoded And I am verymuch disappointed to see this this trend of company pushing slop machines code untested.
- If this continues then we will be doomed when slop machine turns against us and it will be a chaotic mess.
- So what I am saying is that I don’t like vibecoded software and slop machine influence to creative coding.
I love handcrafting code and I think Coding is a form of art.
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I think the word “ai” is a sware so I refer it as “slop machine”
All I want is a software that works as intended and tested well.
Don’t want anything VibecodedCan AI code not be tested well to ensure it works as intended?
I’m not sure using AI is synonymous with “vibecodeing” or “slop”.I mean I don’t like devs pushing code they don’t truely understand
Do you have evidence of that happening at Proton?
The Proton CEO literally said that waiting a few days to pentest a feature before pushing it live was “bullshit and loser thinking.” That is not the kind of careful testing culture that I demand from a secure product.
I know we can’t prove if they know what they are doing atleast they can provide a hand written documentation so we can verify, is it a good idea ?
That’s not bad.
When the release new updated source it coild be flagged or documented.
People like you saying stuff like this is exactly why that’s happening, btw. Stop manufacturing consent for AI.
😂 people so fucking deluded here.
I predicted this and argued with so many people about Proton being a shitty company. I am not even happy about this, just sad that so many people wasted their time and money.
I gotta say I’m getting real tired of having to change my email on every service over and over and over.
Custom domains
This is what I need to do, yeah. That way the underlying provider is all that changes. Good call!
True
This is why I self-host, with my own domain 😁
It’s almost entertaining at this point to see how out of touch they are. Many Proton users chose them because they were supposed to be the anti-techbro alternative to Google and Micro$oft, and alas, instead of actually taking a look in the mirror, they double down instead.
