This is huge
The right-wing candidate who said “stop the war on cars” was defeated.
The leftist who said “My goal is to make sure Grégoire loses” was defeated
Anti car, but pro tanks?
Yeah but he opposes antifascism so…
Since when are the socialists not the leftists?
At least as far as François Hollande’s presidency.
The socialists in France are center left social democrats. The actual lunatic tankie leftist socialists are the LFI, you can see at the bottom with 8% in the image.
Shut the fuck up. Unlike your beloved “socialists” at least they don’t have anybody in the eipstein files
Since hollande the softie
The leftist who said “My goal is to make sure Grégoire loses” was defeated
Hmm. Even if I’m not sure I’d use the word “leftist” If you’re controlled opposition maybe don’t say it out loud lmao
My take is that billionaires and large companies don’t put as much money (proportionally) in municipal elections as they do in country elections. When real people vote, you get Gregoire or Mamdani.
It’s wayyyy too close either way.
A ten percent lead city wide in these conditions is still considered a spanking.
Against Rachida Dati? Hmmm, a rock would have been a better candidate IMO.
SO relieved though… 😅😅😅
“The leftist who said “My goal is to make sure Grégoire loses” was defeated”
why do we have these
there’s another way to phrase “I am going to lose and I want Greg to lose and Donklus is the only other person running”
glad she didn’t “save Palestine” though gj to the percent of Paris that did the not dumb thing
why do we have these
It’s the LFI, it’s leftists who don’t play along well with other leftists (along with some other problematic traits).
If you consider the french socialists to be left then… Idk. Maybe you need to curate more what your information sources are.
They don’t play well with any leftist parties, not necessarily the socialists (who are iirc pretty center these days). LFI is quite abrasive.
They are the biggest player in the left. They want to unify the left around them. Other parties do not want this because they all want to share the pie. I’d say they are the biggest team players and the others are retarded. They twice now took the initiative to rally the entire left around them and yet they are somehow the ones not playing nice.
I would have upvoted you til you used an ableist slur. You could have made your argument perfectly well - in fact, even stronger - if you chose a specific word that more closely matches the problem. It isn’t that they’re intellectually disabled, it’s because they are too blinded by ideology to take a pragmatic approach. I’d just say “…the others aren’t pragmatic enough to put aside their differences” or something.
No. This has nothing to do with pragmatism. This is the fucking ruling class shitting their pants because they fear the loss of their privileges. The PS is nothing more than cockroaches trying everything to keep the little bit of power they have.
Do you imagine if you had to find a proper job after being an elected PS official for years? What would you out in your CV? Traitor (Faure)? CIA asset (Glucksman)? "I successfully lead a party to its ruin (Holland, Valls)?
Right, okay, that’s fine – my point is that the problem isn’t intellectual disability, and even if it was, you shouldn’t use the r-slur. I am disabled and I have had that word weaponized against me my entire life, and seeing it used brings back memories of all of the times I was bullied and harassed for being different.
No, they want the other left parties to agree to all their conditions and refuse to compromise on their positions. I’m all for a united left but LFI is a big part of the problem.
So the biggest player with the most success so far should compromise to the people who wants to push a liberal agenda?
This makes no sense. You cannot do fuck all for years, loose your base, alienate everybody and then come to say “hey stop bullying me and accept my conditions, also you’re antisemitic, and I hate the way you speak”.
Yes, they should compromise. They’re obviously not big enough to win on their own, so they should compromise like all the others. They refuse to do so, and the logical consequence is that other parties refuse to join them.
If you think that having more popularity makes them the absolute authority of the left and every other party should bow to their ideas, we have nothing to discuss.
They refuse to compromise with parties less liberal than them as well, by the way. They refuse to compromise no matter the agenda.
Get rid of Melenchon and we can talk.
Bro if only this was my call
Why? Because the hardlib hate him?
For those with their eyes filled with sawdust: Because he turned into a piece of populistic shit. Also, as you don’t seem to be living in France, for good or bad reasons, loads of people hate him and fear him, and will never ever vote for him.
So let’s keep him so that they will never win, right, to own the euh, “hardlibs”, by getting Bardela elected instead. That’ll teach the, euh “hardlibs”.
Socialists are so left they constantly aligned with macron, an investment banker.
Please. If you don’t know what you’re talking about just shut up
I was not making any judgement about the socialists, nor was I only referring to that party.
Oh fuck off. French socialists have voted for every liberal bullshit for a decade. The pension reform?
In Italy is the same and it’s one of the reasons we’re getting fascists elected everywhere
Tankies are everywhere, especially here on Lemmy. Their main enemy is the center left, just as they always were. Remember that the German communists branded the social democrats as social fascists and considered them almost as bad the literal Nazis.
The guys who literally collaborated the nazis? No shit
Beside aren’t you one of them genocide influencer whining about everybody being “antisemite”?
He is, but that isn’t relevant right now. Smearing center left does not help the broader leftist project. It’s always “left unity” when it comes to anarchists and social democrats listening to authoritarian Marxists, but never the other way around. I consider “left unity” an authoritarian dog whistle at this point
HOORAY! (Not a Frenchman, just someone who likes alternatives to cars anywhere)
Sounds like something a Frenchman would say…
Good for the anticar part but french socialists are on par with the UK labour. A bunch of corrupted genocidal idiots
Yes, unironically this is to the benefit of fascists and the ruling class. Neo-liberals adopting the aesthetics of leftist parties do not address the material underlying conditions which push people towards more extremist ideology, so by the time the next election rolls around, people feel like the left “betrayed” them and vote for the far-right, despite the fact that they never elected an actual leftist in the first place.
There is always major differences between municipal and national elections. I’ll agree with you when it comes to national elections. But the socialists have been leading Paris since 2001. Both mayors since have been reelected after their first mandate. So, they must be doing something right at the city level! And now, Paris is about to have a third socialist mayor in a row, amounting to at least 31 continuous years of socialist leadership in Paris.
I am disappointed with their politics at a national level. But when I was living in Paris I was pretty happy with what they were doing with the city.
Yeah, that’s fair - thanks for sharing, that’s a little reassuring. Hopefully true leftists/socialists can take power at a national level and finally start pushing the far-right back where they belong, in the dustbin of history.
Félicitations, Paris !
Time to start the war on cars ☺️
Great news, but I would love more Sophia Chikirou to win.
Having seen traffic in Paris, I’d say it’s already anti-car.
I think I read that the pro-car candidate in second place there was wanting to change that. Edit: Oh, or do you mean that there’s still too much cars around that they all get stuck in traffic? Yeah I can imagine.
I used to hate paris but last time i was there it was quite pleasant. And quiet
not anti-car, but pro-humans.
carbrainers like to shout that you need stroads everywhere and to kick kids from bikes
but, if you want fewer traffic jams, a calmer driving experience, you NEED high-quality public transit, separated bicycle lanes, etc. everywhere.
Merde alors.
Bouá
Oooh yeah París about to get quadruple pedestrianized. Bravo París, j’en suis fière
Moi, j’en suis jealoux!
Haha vous avez raison, salut d’Ontario
Hi from Georgia!
(LOL, bet you thought I was from Montreal or something, didn’t you? I’ve been learning French because I want to be in places that speak it, not because I’m from a place that speaks it.)
Georgia caucasus or Georgia i-got-you-on-my-mind?
On-my-mind.
Personally, I think we ought to call the other place Sakartvelo to end the confusion.
Hahaha oui c’est vrai, mais en fait le français est ma troisième langue aussi
bet you thought I was from Montreal or something
Because of the typo in jaloux ?
L’Amérique peut aussi élire des urbanistes ; regardez Seattle et Baltimore.
