Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.

We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.

We will share further updates once we have them.

    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Zionism is bad, Ethnonationalism is bad, Murder is bad, War crimes are bad, Genocide is bad, Racism is bad

      Many of the people involved in this conversation are toxic assholes who need to touch grass.

    • TheSaltyRabbi@lemmy.org
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      4 months ago

      The Jewish people having a homeland where we are safe is not bad. Saying it is is antisemitic as fuck. Jewish people are oppressed and in danger all over the world. We deserve a home to feel safe in.

      • qevlarr@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        That’s fine, but zionism is not only that. The problem is kicking out everybody else and/or stripping them off the rights you afford yourselves. If zionism only meant “Jews move to places they feel safe” nobody would have a problem

      • CobraCommander@quokk.auEnglish
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        4 months ago

        The home you want was stolen from someone else. Palestinians deserve their land and to not be genocided by 20th century colonisers.

        Jewish people live in safety all over the world, far more safety than in a country that routinely puts it citizens in harms way via committing wars of conquest and slaughter.

          • CobraCommander@quokk.auEnglish
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            4 months ago

            And before that someone else lived there. Something that happened thousands of years ago does not matter in this day and age.

  • KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    What absolute fucking pussies.

    You should be ashamed to be here, in our community, making false accusations to deliberately try to “get one back” against a text block on the internet.

    I hereby vote that we release wolves into the Admin habitat for the lemmy.world instance. Natural selection should correct the lack of spine found in said admins.

  • maam@feddit.ukEnglish
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    4 months ago

    We need to take our comms and push them to reddthat, disroot and lazysocial.

  • Sharkticon@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    Do you think they’d be calling for that if so many moderators of .world didn’t seem to defend and support fascism? What do you think the rest of us think? Cuz I’ll give you a hint, being an anti-fascist doesn’t mean I think we should have tea with them.

  • zikzak025@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    After getting a better look at the background, this seems like a misstep.

    Agreed that Luminous was not exhibiting behavior that seemed becoming of an admin (borrowing the terms of the db0 folks, they appear to be a bit of a “shit stirrer”) but it doesn’t look like there was any direct call to violence towards Kaplan, as this whole debacle seems to imply.

    Luminous is no longer an admin, so I don’t see why the defederation of anarchist.nexus needs to continue (given that its initial justification is already questionable). The main takeaway is that the admin team of Lemmy.world (or maybe just Kaplan, I don’t know who all the admins are) seem to be taking criticism of Zionism personally…which to me sounds easily solved by simply not being Zionists.

    So, if the LW team are not Zionists, I don’t see why they shouldn’t just come out and say so, but then I guess I don’t see any other reason why someone would take a “death to Zionists” tagline personally.

  • Grimy@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Seems like petty bullshit. An admin has access to the block button. They could have blocked the user, or the instance. I’m okay with an instance ban for the user but defederation without any input from .world users because of personal grievance feels like a major over step.

    Ban the user, sure, since calls to violence in a user name is a bit much. That being said, I think Kaplan should be removed from the admin team, and refederation should occur. Defederation like this and for these reasons is well above what’s expected.

    Threats of defed against db0 are fucking gross. Clearly, someone is upset their bad behavior keeps getting called out in the ye tripping bastard sub. Do better.

  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    axis.world sure does love to censor anyone they disagree with, just like how they preemptively de-federated with hexbear ‘as a last resort’.

  • Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Hey there, Kaplan.

    So, this is quite clearly now just a witch hunt by you.

    For anyone else who is curious, this is what happened.

    A user by the name of Luminous was an admin on Anarchist.nexus. They banned MrKaplan from a community for posting zionist apologia. Luminous also had ‘Kill all Zionists’ as their display name. This, evidently to MrKaplans arrogance, translates into ‘he is throwing death threats against me personally’.

    Despite that user stepping down as an admin, you unilaterally defederated from Anarchist.nexus days ago. You did not notify the instance or community. You did not contact any other admins of Anarchist.nexus. You just, unilaterally, decided to take matters into your own hands and manually defederate an entire instance based off of the actions of a single user that you did not contact anyone over.

    @Ruud@lemmy.world, this is what you’re backing. You went out of your way to make an instance that wasn’t going to be reddit and you went ahead and re-created Spez, an admin who personally takes out their own feelings on anyone that they don’t like and is trying to control the narrative of the entirety of the fediverse.

    Friendly reminder to everyone. Check back a couple of months ago on this community and look at the post about JordanLund. A moderator who was openly lying to the admins in public but the admins took weeks to decide to do literally nothing. But a single user on another instance meant that MrKaplan was able to defederate it all.

    This is why I left lemmy.world. Kaplan and Spez are interchangable.

  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I don’t think defederation is ever justified outside of technical reasons, like spam or other disruptive activities.

    I don’t think killing civilians is cool. (Each side feel free to project your biases onto that comment)

    I think that there is a large population of people who share the toxic view that social media is a battleground and views people who disagree as enemies to be attacked. These people are often disruptive, toxic assholes. The way to deal with them is to ban them when they pop up.

    I think it is extra stupid to stereotype people based on the instance that they signed up for instead of their stated opinions.

  • anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Just so we’re all clear - the definition of zionism being used in this context is “someone who supports the existence of Israel as a Jewish state”

    I’m thinking that it’s quite likely that the .world admin in question would agree with the above sentiment, but would rather not inherit the downstream implications of what it means to define a colonial state by an ethno-religious identity.

    Zionists aren’t fit to be the local dogcatcher instance admin.

  • chunes@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    What incentive do I have to remain here if I can’t see stuff from other instances?