I think dumb people need to hold onto the idea that smart people are a bunch of nerds with no physical fitness, coordination, game with the opposite sex, autism, allergies, and asthma to distract them from the fact that smart people are on average better people along many correlated dimensions and on others no worse than average.
I used to sell apple gear
I had to keep telling off other sales people who kept saying OSX was based on Linux, not Unix
I was writing choose your own adventure games in basic, but the 2k memory cap was challenging, and loading from audio from cassette tapes was just stupid. I’ve used pretty much every OS (within reason).
I still don’t like macs though.
What if you got started on an Atari in the 80s?
600xl Or 800xl?
You should get your AARP card in the mail shortly
I also did this.
Bricked my computer for 3 years 🫠
Fuck mint, even Windows Vista never broke to the point of being unable to download any file lol
mac people/kids are wealthier, so yeah they’d have better academic scores, generally.
Linux people are the insufferable know it all who just inject themselves into things to brag about how superior and smart they are for an arbitrary operating system choice.
the computing equivalent of that football dad who brags to everyone how good has in high school and how he could have gone pro.
Did Linus Torvalds sleep with your wife or something
no. i just think linux is boring and dumb, rather than the holy spirit of using computers.
using linux is not really some great achievement in life, all it means is you’re a nerd who likes command line interfaces. cool, me too bro. I just don’t whinge on about it like windows/mac or sunOS is were some great evil prophets and his holy Linus gave us salvation from our computing sins the other OSes make us commit, or something.
people here think treat linux use as a religious awakening and they must shun/covert the non-believers. or argue about the purity of their faith based on the distribution or the age of their first install. shit’s wild.
I agree that there’s a lot of overexaggeration in the Linux sphere about how great it is (along with the snobs that come with it), but it’s not entirely without merit either. Linux has a big emphasis on user choice and configuration, and it’s pretty much the only OS in the world which can run on basically any machine that has the specs for it.
It tends to go relatively underappreciated how big of an impact Linux has had and continues to do so in how diverse & ubiquitous it is, so it’s not too surprising that insecure users tend to compensate by dunking on Windows/Mac and its users whenever they get the chance. That’s not to say it doesn’t have its shortcomings (it certainly does) but Linux is one of the few software creations that managed to maintain the majority of its principles over its lifespan without enshittifying itself. So there’s also that moral factor which makes many feel justified in glorifying it.
Overall I’d say it’s balanced between being overrated and the rise of RNGesus. It’s a great ecosystem to take part in (albeit with an occasional degree of confusion) and as long as you treat the Linux supremacist crowd as unserious (which they are when it comes down to it) there’s really no reason to dislike it in general. Especially if you want to stick it to Microslop or Slopple :)
You are what I’m complaining about dude.
I’m an IT professional. I don’t glorify or condemn anything on principle. They are just tools for jobs. Linux is no more glorious that a hammer. But you seem to think that hammer is the second coming of the son of God. Normal people use hammers to hit nails, they don’t sit around and glorify and worship hammers as being superior to screw drivers.
So I’m not entitled to my opinion? It’s a little disingenuous to act like I’m worshipping Linux when I literally just denounced that behaviour.
I know it’s a crazy thought, but people are allowed to appreciate creations on an emotional level. I’m not shaming you either way whether you like it or not, I’m just laying out some reasons for why people treat Linux the way they do. People are allowed to like their tools and the work put into making them, and so the same thing goes for any software.
It seems to me like you’re just having a hard time understanding that people tend to feel sentimental about their interests, which is what, y’know… Humans do. Your principles aren’t universal imperatives. You’re entitled to them, but you’re treating them as objectively as any Linux snob treats their favourite distro.
Funnily enough you’re also not entirely consistent with your holier-than-thou attitude towards any biases. This whole back and forth started with you calling Linux boring and dumb, facetious or not.
you are entitled to your opinion. it can also be stupid, wrong, and make you a total douche for having it. racists are entitled to be hateful on people based on skin color. doesn’t mean their opinions aren’t shitty and nasty and wrong.
you did not denounce it, you exemplified it. ‘linux is superior and microsoft and apple are dumb, hehe’ you are just being like ‘acktually, i’m not like those other linux nerds, my opinions is justified!’ no, you are exactly like them, you just think your opinion makes you special and different, when it’s exactly the same as theirs.
it’s fine. you’re a normal person. Most people think their cliche and stereotypical opinions are original and genius and not like the other, because they are theirs. every sports fan thinks they are the REAL fan too.
it’s not holier than though, it’s indifference and annoyance to you and people liek you thinking you are so smart and special and different, when you are nothing more than a cliche. You are the equivalent of a lifted-truck dude, just with computers. You think you are so cool and awesome and unique, everyone around you thinks you are a insecure insufferable douchebag, and wonders what happened in your life to make you so insecure you have to posture so much.
Damn, sorry I managed to hit a nerve I guess. Pretty crazy of you to compare Linux snobbery to literal racism lol.
When did I ever imply Linux is “superior” to any other platform? You can use Windows, Mac, or Linux, and you shouldn’t need to think twice about the “rightness” of your decision any further than what it means to you. There’s nothing inherently wrong with any of those choices and they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. You seem to think that because I have a general preference and fondness for Linux and a distaste for multi-billion dollar corporations, that inherently means my opinion is stupid and wrong. Which is silly, obviously, and I’m sorry for thinking I didn’t have to lay that out directly for you.
Not once did I imply my opinion is unique compared to all the others, nor did I virtue-signal through the self-righteous “objectivity” of it. I like Linux, and you seem to have a seething hatred of its userbase which surpasses all reason and good faith. That’s okay, but it’s not okay to immediately lump me in with the annoying Linux users which seem to have made more than a large impression on you. People are not one-dimensional characters, not even the people you dislike so much. They all have their own reasons, experiences, and biases for treating things the way they do, which is why it’s not okay to judge people based on cliches/stereotypes or even cognitively assign people to them. Ironically, those are both traits of those racists you seem to hate.
I think there is some selection bias there with your analysis of Linux people. Maybe you only know the ones that interject because they have interject. Meanwhile a lot of Linux veterans don’t bring it up because we don’t want to answer questions about it.
it’s a joke about lemmy users dude. and how insufferable they are about linux and all the twats in this thread bragging about how they learned linux in grade school like it’s a contest to prove how hardcore and smarter they are. and their lack of recognition of how obnoxious and weird that behavior is.
They are like people who argue that German cars are not expensive if you can do all the repairs yourself! It demonstrates a total lack of understanding that non-enthusiasts don’t care about your weird smug nerd shit about how you love to suffer by taking hours to setup your custom homebrew network.
Normal people just want shit that works. They don’t care about Linux, or when you learned it and Mac vs windows is mostly about the aesthetics and branding, not about the functionality of the OS or it’s technical features. They are just browsing social media and watching netflix for 95% of their time on it anyway.
I think that Mac people will score significantly lower than Windows users because the OS is built for people with zero technical literacy.
When I was 10, I installed BackTrack (now Kali Linux) because I liked its background and theme and thought it would look cool to show my classmates
Fair.
If we’re talking post-year-2k macs, you’re de-facto going to skew the results as those were less affordable than budget family windows boxes.
The windows kids know more because there was a possibility some stuff might work with the right sequence of rituals. The mac kids just knew not to try because nothing will work
I started on classic Mac OS and have a successful tech career. I learned to troubleshoot problems on the Mac by disabling Extensions and deleting Preferences files in the prior century. Learned to use Windows after 2000, and it has been garbage the whole time.
I wasn’t advocating for windows, they’re both trash
Shit, I shouldn’t have ordered that Ubuntu CD as a kid.
I started on an Apple computer older than a Mac, the Apple IIe, but my next computer was a Windows 3.1 one and I never went back to Apple.
Had a Mac at home and windows at school. Always wondered if that is what made me good at computers.
My first computer was some kind of IBM with a floppy disk drive and Chip’s Challenge.
First computers at school were the iMAC G3s with Zoombinis
Hell yeah, Chips Challenge. I have a copy somewhere, want to sit down one day and beat it fully. Always had to stop since people needed to use the pc.
I started on mac computers in school because Apple supplied them. It was the 80’s. By time got to high school they were all PCs.
Ignoring data to prove your hypothesis is correct sounds like polling.
Good studies correct for outliers.
To correct, you have to measure them first. How else would you know how much to correct. Measure the variable to control for it is basic good practice.
I started in 1981 at 11yo with a ZX81 writing games in BASIC. In 1984 at 14yo I was cracking games on Amstrad CPC6128, Z80 assembly. At 18 in 1988 it was on PC in DOS (8086). Yes I installed Linux 0.99 on my 486 PC in 1992 or something.
Never touched an Apple device.
Same, except for having played a bit with Apple 2s. I’ve had a windows partition on and off to run steam, but it never held any data. Nowadays it wouldn’t serve any purpose of course.
