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  • Why do you need anything beyond “riding a virtual track”, though? The point of a car is to go from A to B, and a track is literally the most effective way to do that (which is why we need more trains in the first place, but that’s an entirely separate rant I could go on about).

    IMO, at a certain point you reach a level of autonomy that is sufficient enough. It doesn’t need to know every nook and cranny of obscure roads because realistically, nobody’s going there to begin with. And even then in those situations where you did need to go to a location that wasn’t pre-mapped, it’s still likely to get you 99.9% of the way to your destination, anyway. Waymos are also constantly scanning and remapping their surroundings in real time (to adjust for things like road work, detours, and other blockages), so it stands to reason that if you had to manually engage the car after reaching the end of its mapped area, it would eventually develop a map of the new areas with a high-enough level of confidence to navigate on its own, over time.

    I also think you have the wrong takeaway regarding the remote dispatchers being required. I think it’s a good thing that they exist, because that means that Waymo doesn’t trust their own machines to be 100% accurate. Tesla incorrectly does, which is why their self-driving cars have an exponentially higher rate of at-fault collisions than any of their competitors. Waymo at least understands the realistic limitations of their tech, and has a safety net in place for when those limitations are reached. I think that’s the correct way to do it, as you lead up toward an actual finished product.


  • I get what you’re saying, and I don’t have the data handy to provide the necessary context, but it’s important to keep in mind that these “what am I looking at?” requests from the cars will represent something like ~0.0001% of all scanned objects on the road. Almost all of the time, the car is confidently identifying everything in its path without any human assistance. Almost every request that the dispatchers would receive to identify was already correctly identified by the car by the time the dispatcher presses their buttons. Most of these requests would be something like “Is this a fire hydrant?”, and that request was automatically sent on the first “frame” where the car couldn’t identify the object; more often than not, the car has figured it out by the very next “frame” and has made whatever necessary adjustments are needed to correct its course before dispatchers even respond.

    Of course, I have no way to validate any of this, as any numbers I can provide are just made up based on my own experience doing this job around 7 years ago, and I don’t believe Waymo publishes any actual statistics in this regard, so you’ll just have to take the word of a random guy on the internet for however much its worth. :)

    For what it’s worth, I will say that self-driving cars are about the only technology that genuinely excite me these days and some of the things they’re capable of are not talked about nearly enough (you hardly ever hear about the fact that Waymo has autonomous semi-trucks on public roads). With the exception of Tesla, who have been seen as mostly a joke by the rest of the industry, pretty much everybody in this particular tech space are doing some very impressive things.

    I don’t suck big tech dick that often, but the self-driving car industry has some good techdick right now.


  • It’s even less than that. The act of plotting a course (which we called Augmented Trajectories), was used very sparingly, and mostly just to do “illegal” maneuvers like crossing a double yellow line in order to get around debris in the road. The Waymo won’t (knowingly) break the law on its own, even in those exceptional situations like road obstructions, so we could either tell the car “this road is inaccessible due to the obstruction” and let it try to make a 30-point u-turn and reroute itself 8 miles in another direction, or we can tell the car “let me direct you through this tiny lil one-time crime”. ATs are very limited in scope; we could basically plot out several points in the car’s path, and then tell it to drive itself to those points while ignoring other traffic rules, and then the car will complete that course while steering itself along the path you’ve plotted. You can only set a max distance of like 20 meters or so before having to make the car pull over and plot a new AT again, and the car will only ever go about 3 MPH during an AT. Even during an AT, the car will still refuse to drive over anything it doesn’t recognize as safe and will not collide itself with anything at all.

    Almost all of the remote dispatcher’s job is just identifying objects (usually road signs, traffic signals, and other vehicles) that the Waymo isn’t able to immediately identify. No remote driving, and very little manual course-plotting is being done by humans.

    Source: was a Waymo remote dispatcher for a year and identified tens of thousands of road objects, and conducted maybe 4 ATs in total. They’re very rare. We mostly had to use them in road work areas, where the workers would leave a very complicated temporary path with road cones that the car just couldn’t figure out, or where the cones had fallen over.







  • Even if you enjoyed game testing (which there is definitely some appeal to for a certain type of person), it’s not worth doing if you’re relying on having any sustainable amount of income. The pay for game testers has always been among the bottom rungs within the gaming industry, and has only gotten lower in recent years as more game studios have begun using overseas contractors to do all their testing, which lets them skirt a lot of labor laws.




  • I think votes should honestly be a bit more like old school SlashDot voting, where you had several different types of votes you could leave on a comment like Insightful, Funny, Helpful, etc. Have a few negative ones like Bad Faith Argument, Spam, Advertisement, etc. And also like old school /., you’d have a limited amount of votes you can give. Make them replenish once per day, or have users earn additional votes for receiving positive votes on their comments, or something along those lines.

    That would prevent bombing an entire comment thread with downvotes, and provides much-needed context for any given comment’s score.