It’s like someone asked an AI tool to identify why this image might be AI generated

Aren’t we ‘girt by sea’? 🤣

All I can say is

guys really aren’t that fussy

Mate I’m super sorry this happened to you. No one deserves it and it shouldn’t happen period.

My point however is the name calling as you did in the other comments on my posts and shouting at me, is not the constructive discussion that will start a movement against this. People will just tune out or worse yet actively oppose you. You will ostracise others and cement thier point of view. Which will disrupt the ability to build a movement against these actions.

Sorry had trouble posting hence the delay.

With these types of demonstrations, they are fruitless, they are calling for action with no clear action being called for.

Was this a protest against censorship? Or against the war? Or pro Palestine? Or was this a ‘stick it to the man’? Who are you calling to action and what action are you calling for?

No one knows which is my point. Instead it costs the taxpayer money to manage, will not change the opinions of anyone and will not achieve any change. Now any of those causes are fine, but aimless protests are useless, and from my perspective frustrating cos we’re paying for it (in a tight financial environment these days). Also lets not forget how much Sydney cost the taxpayer.

Now let’s say censorship is the protest here, a broadcast that, discuss that, write to your member on that, wearing a taboo (rightfully or wrongly) shirt and getting arrested will not achieve this. We should instead aim for strong discussions which will naturally start a movement. It’s more effective than getting arrested.

Also thanks for the respectful response, didn’t think I’d have to hunt for that (shads too) 😁

Course they are, but go to these rallys, and you won’t see many (if any) of them

Paras 1, 2 and 3 are as if I had written them myself. And on retrospect I could’ve been clearer in my original post that I see these protests as fruitless. You can protest against your local council in relation to a badly consulted project, or federal about the botched handling of let’s say ‘housing affordability’, heck it doesn’t even need to be government it could be your employer outsourcing work overseas. In each instance you are protesting/impacting the party who you disagree with.

Here we have a group protesting about the actions of a foreign nation, who undertook an action on the other side of the globe. And who are they impacting?, the cafe that had to close thier doors cos there’s a protest out the front, or the dress maker that lost a days trading because ppl were avoiding the area.

At best you can stretch it to they are trying to impact the federal government, but this is my concern here, with what? The government says we support a two party solution, we support no warfare in the region. What’s the tangible action you want from them? Cos I don’t see that in any messaging.

And if it’s ‘this public outcry will ensure both sides lay down thier weapons’ your shouting at a third party about something they cannot control, that would be like me protesting that the US shouldnt tariff other countries, or me shouting at the postman because he delivered me a rate hike on my home loan, fruitless.

And I was just suggesting that the retirees could go back to work and contribute to society again until they are 73 like the rest of us are gonna have to, cos they ruined the housing market in this country whilst they instead retire at 55 on thier defined benefits we need to work until we’re 70 to pay for thier pensions

What a great argument, the horse has bolted so crack the whip and ensure it never comes back.

Fabricating ways to victimise myself? I said you resort to name calling, which you did, and I called you out on it.

If you took the time to read past the first line, you’d see I have made my case, several times now. But your clearly disinterested and your aggressive tone suggests you would rather shout at whoever you think is different, than have a mature discussion.

No I mean going to work, paying your taxes, using your earnt money to buy things from other people is contributing to society.

Perhaps you work at a mechanic, and you fix cars for the removalist, who moves a banker, who manages finances for a fabricator, who buys a coffee from the cafe.

This is contributing to society and is what makes the economy work, without a strong economy australia will be a husk with no influence. So yes going to work is contributing.

And yes there is a whole discussion on financial obligations and people not owning stuff and being in debt to the hilt, but I’m not sure this is the right page for it.

All I say to this is, if you witness these events you’ll see it is often students around uni age, or retirees, both with too much time on thier hands. You wont see the 28 year old mum of two, or the 38 year old fella trying to make it in banking. Cos they are at work, contributing to society. This very event was a student group.

This girl achieved nothing except getting a permanent stamp on her criminal record, and costing the tax payer more dollars.

This is why I say a more persuasive approach is better, it’s more effective and will change other points of view. Is it more difficult, I agree with you, but no one is gonna witness what happened here and go ‘geez I’ve been wrong all this time and now I’m gonna change my point of view’ so continuing it will always lead to a more isolated (but loud) group instead of a broader movement.

That’s why I say instead of going to a protest chat with your social group and respectfully bring up the issue, listen and have a respectful sharing of ideas, you might walk away with 3 or 4 more people leave that have changed thier point of view, and another 2 that have had thiers challenged, and are now closer to yours. That is far more effective than this entire event, and if everyone did this, you’d be amazed at the change that would happen.

I agree with you they shouldn’t care about a tshirt, and if the case was challenged it would likely get thrown out, forcing them to make new laws.

To be clear, punching anyone is not cool, and it’s this kind of hateful thinking that makes wars. “Well it’s okays to physically hurt this person cos they think/believe/are different”.

It is this opinion that people on either side of the war effort use to justify thier actions, either it’s right to physically harm palestinians cos they are different, or it is right to harm israelis again cos they are different. That’s part of the problem not the solution, it will always make the situation of you punch them so they punch back and now your fighting.

You just tied my ‘logic’ to the thinking and people of ‘WW2’

That’s a form of name calling and not a constructive discussion point there. It was your way of suggesting that one of us is above or below the other.

And again I did not say ‘do nothing’ as you suggest. But again don’t let a good fact get in the way of your ranting.

But that’s fine, keep contributing to dividing society and in ten years time when half the country hates the other half, just remember you contributed to making it that way.

In short our constitution is boring.

There will be states, federal government will do this, states do everything else

Separation of powers, there will be a crown, legislative (parliamentary), executive (public service) and judicial (courts).

Then how to alter the constitution and add the ability to annex new Zealand and that’s pretty much a wrap. Nothing fancy like yous have.

Edit, forgot consolidated revenue

Again so quick to fire you assume that I disagree with you.

Something to consider though, we do have free speech in this country and its likely and this case (if challenged) will get thrown out. Update edit: she took a caution.

But also tell me how wearing a t shirt constructively convinces others to share our point of view? Quite the contrary I imagine others who don’t share the same opinion will go ‘avoid this person before they shout at me for having a different point of view’

And do you know a better way to make a movement in this country than if everyone is able to convince someone else to share (or perhaps just lean closer to) a common opinion/belief. So if instead of pissing off alternative points of view, have an open chat, you might change ppls minds. 1 million voices is better than 100,000 voices, and 25 million voices is better than 1 million. And an open chat is not wearing a tshirt.

But first people need to actually talk and listen to each other instead of shouting and hating each other.

Before you get on your high horse that’s not what I said.

I said that a lot of these people are protesting without having a common cause on what they are protesting for. And that it is creating deep fractures in our society.

But don’t let a fact get in the way of your keyboard rage, grab your pitchfork, jump down the throat of anyone who you think is pro Israeli, and make sure to throw in a WW2 or Nazi reference.

Or perhaps consider that your response is exactly what I was talking about, and it’s this kind of rant that is dividing us.

I encourage a good discussion, sharing of ideas/opinions, perhaps you’ll change peoples minds but instead you resort to a “you’re wrong and I’m gonna call you names”

And for the record, I still haven’t said I’m pro war cos I’m not. What I’ve said is I am disappointed in the people in this country with how they have responded to it.

I think I too wanna side with iran now 🤣

Can they can start with Microslop?

Yes buying second hand stops you giving your money to Google, however it still supports ppl buying them in the first place. And that supports Google.

I wish there was more options in the Graphene space as it’s something I’d love to tinker with too. But also don’t wanna buy from Google.

Hence why I go back to hoping projects like pinephone take off (albeit I’m realistic of the chances of that happening)

Albo also doesn’t have the balls to implement that level of change.

He’s got three terms minimum, the perfect time to implement long term changes (without the election to election policies we’ve been doing).

However we’ve already wasted a term and a half

Exactly, half these people are bored with nothing better to do and should be working.

You can tell as they often are a collective with no common goal or objective other than ‘protest’. And it’s causing such division in our society with now a strong anti immigration movement cos people are getting sick of it.

And in the end everyone loses.