Clay_pidgin

Time to rewatch The West Wing again.

I figured you would be!

I was going to recommend you to the OP!

Maybe before supermarkets, eggs and milk were the main items being refrigerated in the grocery store. Meat would have come from a butcher until the 50s or 60s, I think? (my back hurts, but not THAT much)

I’m sure that’s the case now, but I’m curious why it started. Is that not the case in non-western countries?

I wouldn’t think that there’s anything about dairy cow ranching that specifically lends itself to also raising egg hens, but I’m no farmer!

Is there no sense in which we can say, actually no: a culture in which slavery is okay is a flawed culture; it is better to have a culture that does not promote this sort of thing?

I would certainly prefer that the arc of time bend towards people and the environment having more protection/freedom/rights than the other way around, but without an external directive I don’t believe that it’s meaningful to use labels like “correct” in this context. For your specific examples, I would rather say something like “Nazi Germany and the Confederacy were below the contemporaneous and current commonly-held threshold for human rights.” That’s a self-important mouthful, which I already regret typing out.

Any evaluation of another culture is necessarily done through the lens of the evaluator’s opinions and preferences, which are (by default) a product of their home culture. I hope I’m explaining my view clearly; I certainly am not arguing that those societies were not abominable places to live, led by awful people.

This implies that certain cultures’ mores are more correct than others’, which probably feels right to you because those countries’ norms align more closely with yours.

As a vegan, I don’t think is the case! I think our cultures norms around animals does not align closely what feels right to me at all.

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For example there some Indigenous or Inuit cultures in rural Canada or Greenland that still partly live their traditional ways of life. I think those cultures are actually better than ours.

I feel like these two statements are in contradiction? You state that some traditional cultures are better because they align with your beliefs, which was my argument. Again, I’m not saying that those cultures are NOT an improvement over my own in this particular regard, based on my own view of morality, just that my opinion on the subject is my own and not “The Correct Opinion”.

Again, I mean absolutely no disrespect and am just trying to stretch my smooth and rarely-used brain a bit. Feel free to simply ignore me.

That’s true. Offense is always easier than defense.

Certainly possible!

I don’t mean ethical in the sense of her choice being good or bad, but in that people intentionally choose to be vegan because of their ethical belief, as opposed to a cultural preference or a medical restriction.

TBC, I’m not a vegan.

Never heard of it! I do enjoy a B-movie now and again. I’ll see if my library can request this.

Perhaps, but see the tons of imagined issues raised on bug bounty sites by LLMs. Maybe it’s right sometimes, but it’s very often wrong!

In the best cases, those would be ML but not specifically an LLM, no?

He’s either trying to help and overdoing it to embarrass her (a responsibility of us dads) or he’s overdoing it to support her publicly and loudly (which is good but annoying).

It’s sort of Appeal to Authority, but in this case it’s an Appeal to Hypothetical Authority?

Not the person to whom you were replying, but I appreciated your comment.

These are really fun philosophical topics, that I’ve enjoyed talking about in person several times. I don’t think that human rights are universal, because I don’t personally believe that morality exists external to culture.

If these behaviours were human rights violations in, say, Denmark, then they do not cease to be human rights violations just because they are taking place in a different country with different cultural attitudes.

This implies that certain cultures’ mores are more correct than others’, which probably feels right to you because those countries’ norms align more closely with yours. I feel the same way, but I don’t think it’s a FACT.

I absolutely also agree that FGM is bad, but being a human rights violation in Denmark doesn’t ipso facto prove that it’s true. I.e. in the U.S. it’s now illegal for many industries/schools/orgs to promote DEI, but that doesn’t mean that other countries should do the same. I’m sure Denmark has some bad takes too, though I don’t know the country well enough to think of any.

Just starting an argument online for fun while on the throne, don’t take me too seriously, friend!

Yeah, why ARE eggs dairy? Just because milk products and eggs are both refrigerated? (in the U.S.)

AI slop has frustrated me in my search to find out. I don’t need 100 hastily-generated pages telling me that eggs aren’t actually dairy. I want to know why they are in the dairy category!

I’ve never heard of that. It’s not a bad idea.

Assuming you are willing/qualified to be a spokesperson for vegans:

When you encounter a menu item marked “Vegan” and discover that it isn’t, do you often speak to the manager to advise them to either remove the label or change the recipe?

I’m not vegan, but I often (not OFTEN but more frequently that my wife would prefer!) mention menu mistakes to the server/cashier in the hopes of helping a future guest.

TBF, her diet was an ethical choice, and his is probably an unexamined cultural default.

I didn’t know that. That’s a handy feature.