Learned helplessness.

I can’t tell if you’re joking, or if you actually meant to suggest that liberalism in the US – the most violent and destructive ideological hegemony in human history – could be socialism in a trenchcoat because some liberals sleep better with welfare liberal policies as opposed to the more honest and open genocide.

You know socialism was already popular in the US, right? For fifty years before WW2 it gained traction and its advocates successfully clawed away concessional labour rights and social-welfare programs. Y’know what happened? It did improve the conditions for workers in the US; and the institutions of white supremacy and patriarchy effectively disarmed its popularity once privileged classes got theirs. You’re claiming to be a communist of some sort, yet have neglected a material analysis of this history. They will reward people who subscribe to liberalism with better material security, and we know it works very well.

Liberals in the US believe what they believe because they correctly identify that so long as this system exists, they will be guaranteed something above any colonized people. They aren’t fucking stupid, they don’t have to have theoretical language to apply intuitive knowledge on their position in an empire. Liberalism is a result of their position in that society, not some form of victimization that compromises some innate moral purity.

When I say they suffer, it’s because of the fundamental ways in which a person who subscribes to that system must sever their connection to humanity and the world to maintain their comfort. It isn’t because they’re powerless.

Which is itself a form of suffering, imagine the humanity they miss out on and what you’d be without it. Liberalism and fascism are ideologies that subsist on the concept that there is an imaginary amount of violence that can be inflicted outward to relieve internal suffering.

Lots of signs of some internet education and naturalized perspective going on here. “Malagency” is a word I have never seen in all my years of gender studies and social science education, and all the sources I could find for it are fucking posts on Reddit from users who frequently used “left” terminology in pseudo-intellectual “men’s rights” posts and in a Redpill Archive site. In fact, every instance I’ve found of its use is from manosphere subreddits or archives of those subreddits. To anyone else who this term is new to, they used it as a shorthand for “men are blamed for everything,” which they use to launder an argument that depends on men having more agency as true (which positions agency at the individual instead of systemic level) which is, “women are actually hurt by blaming men for everything because it confirms that they have no power.” I’m not even fucking kidding, " For example, feminist theory itself may be described in terms of malagency." (https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/dtj972/the_framework_cause_of_mens_issues_malagency/). This is a very manipulative kind of terminology that would only work on someone who is completely unfamiliar with feminist theory at all. So, they’re targeting men who already don’t engage with gender studies and create an argument that validates some intuitive observation but misdirects that truth into a distortive construction of how “agency” exists under patriarchy.

So, that’s incredibly specific and telling. I was going to explain a bit about how you use a lot of naturalized patriarchal values, but I can only reasonably guess that you understand what you’re doing because of how intentional this word choice is and where you clearly have gotten this knowledge.

I am 100% certain that you do not give a single fuck about young men who are victims of sexual violence. You have even sunk to using their victimization to platform views that reproduce the conditions for that violence to continue. Vile behaviour.

“To women and billionaires.” Now, that is a telling line to draw. Did you think I pointed out the cultural moment because billionaires are like women and not like…the obvious impact on everyone’s consciousness about sexual violence because our system has obviously enabled a massive pedophile ring?

Just say it was the second option and be serious, no need to word vomit to clean it up and inadvertantly (hopefully unintended) suggest that women are somehow in a similar position of power to commit sexual violence with impunity as some of the most powerful people in a patriarchal society (go look up the demos for billionaires).

I have a tough time believing that a person who talks like this commits much of their time to sexual violence prevention education, ngl.

What do you mean, “well founded?” Did you read this article before writing that? Are you telling me you read a lot about sexual violence and rape culture? That’d be pretty nice to see on here, could you point me toward any articles that have done discourse analyses on the representation of sexual violence and young men?

Or you meant “well founded,” as in, like, its what you see so it makes sense?

It’s interesting that you concluded with “this must be an exceptionally violent case” and not “culture is shifting enough that explicitly calling these cases ‘rape’ is becoming more acceptable.” Like, we’re in the middle of a moment where sexual violence against minors is, y’know, a big topic. Even if the past ten years hasn’t been huge in the proliferation on sexual violence education, the ruling class pedo ring thing is pretty fresh.

edit for those who don’t read the rest of the thread: This guy is using terms that appear to predominantly or exclusively exist in manosphere spaces (particularly on reddit), and has admitted to never actually reading anything on or engaging in activism to prevent the vicitimization of young men. He’s using this boy’s trauma to spread misgogyny, disgusting.

Fairphone has a partnership with Murena to ship a variant of the Gen 6 with e/OS/, don’t they?

jfc, you seriously have not talked to a single activist who isn’t white eh. No, privileged people who think the state is bad now because it effects them are not allies anymore than an incompetent individual in that state is an ally. There are countless examples of privileged people abandoning causes once they get theirs. You’re not an “ally” and your refusal to learn better is the antagonism, not correctly criticizing you for doing so.

What an immature and ignorant conception of “allyship.” “Hey pal, I just showed up to the effort and if you say I have any learning to do, you’re a piece of shit and actually detrimental to the work I just learned about.”

I won’t be reading any response you send.

Alleged by whom?

I feel bad for the poor bastards that will certainly have these forced on them at the office or at school.

You clearly haven’t read the thread. Explain how you – clearly not a victim of US genocide up to this point because you wouldn’t be so pompous if you were – would start to measure the “worseness” of genocide at one point or the other. Why was 4 million enslaved people better, why was genocide against dozens of indigenous nations better. Maybe they didn’t target the right people to bad enough? Andrew Jackson did it to allow settlers to murder and disposses The Seminole Nation.

You fucking Muppet.

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1. My joke was directed at this account’s name, as it references Adolf Hitler, who was a fascist you see.

2. Anyone who can read for chuds can see that you purposely constructed action in a discouraging way by positioning only inaction or dependency on the state and complete sacrifice of life and family as the only options.

Go look up what people who have fought the United States for centuries have done Community action through mutual aid, protest, legal contest, property destruction, and violence have all been applied at different times in different ways to different severities and successes. Stfu about having to get up off your ass and risk anything.

Gee, I wonder if there’s a reason you were taught a construction of authoritarianism that applied to enemies of the US but not the brutal violence and control in the US itself. Andrew Jackson ignored the constitution and courts more than once, go find out why.

You Muppet.

I cannot express in words strongly enough just how little respect I have for who has the right to make what decisions in a wholly genocidal and imperialistic system. You think the legality is the problem, grow the fuck up. Do you know the indigenous name for the land you live on? Ask yourself why you would only notice the legitimacy of the US once its legal system is subverted and not when it fucking commits genocide to survive.

Who fucking cares? Genuinely. Who the absolute fuck cares if he changes the name of a genocidal monstrosity of an organization? On top of that, why the fuck should anyone respect the US legal authority at all? “Gulf of America” is a problem but not “The Grand Canyon” or “Mount Rushmore?” I wonder why you’d draw that line specifically.

You are mad that the empire doesn’t match the aesthetics of some purported morality, it’s spineless. It has always been evil, if “Gulf of America” or “Department of War” is the only point where you even consider the misuse of this “authority,” you’ve been dangerously ignorant until now.

“More authoritarian than ever.” Please, tell me how you argue for a measurable difference in the severity of authoritarianism between current day and early- to mid-nineteenth century US slave states. Is there, perhaps, a particular group effected that makes this more severe? Is it worse because white citizens are victimised now? Wasn’t authoritarian when they used Zyklon B as part of southern-border security in the twentieth century? Is it the technological difference? Do you even know how surveillant the US has been in the past?

So fucking obnoxious and sneering to suggest you know more about something without clearly ever fucking learning about it. Go on though, explain how the slave-state wasn’t as bad.

Oh look, I called it.

What about that time it used genocide against dozens of indigenous nations to expand, or became a police-slave-state that codified naturalized racism, or restricted voting access along race and gender until forced otherwise, or adopted an organised military to suppress unions, or spent decades intervening and invading countries that elected governments who said mean things about the US, or when it suppressed climate change knowledge for decades, or when it constructed a mass - surveillance apparatus over a century, or when it imprisoned the largest number of people anyone has on the planet to perpetuate forced labour based on that one time it was a police-slave-state? I didn’t even mention the Patriot Act or how they use nukes.

Again, are you meant to be the actual Cpt. Oblivious, or is it meant to be a dig on me like the joke is unclear. Above is more for the benefit of any chuds who may feel validated by your previous comment.