As windows user you primarily learn to interrupt your work at any time for a mandatory software update

Good. Let them discover early in their lives that we do not need to depend on big tech companies.

So this is the end? I object to a Holocaust comparison, and that make you leave the discussion? I don’t know why you need to balance large scale crimes against humanity out against each other. To me each is a ultimate failure of humans, and each is singular in their mechanics. The Nazis had perfected the industrialized mass killing, which makes the Holocaust somewhat unique among genocides. That doesn’t make other genocides being not-genocide or something, but the comparison also just doesn’t cut it. If anything it serves to make one wonder if you are among those who trivialize the Holocaust.

I stated multiple times that I disagree with Netanyahus treatment of the Palestinians and that I want to see him in court for his crimes.

Nevertheless the antizionist movement alltooften throws it all together, matched only by other extremist ideologies. It is extremely one sided in their version of history, uses unreasonable comparisons and arguments in areas where I am somewhat knowledgeable and where I can’t follow.

I hear the accusations, but when they come from antizionists, they’re distinguishable from “Jews are the devil” only by the other word “Zionists”. So how close is it to standard antisemitism?

Netanyahu and his own extremists belong to justice, along with the soldiers that actually do the crimes against humanity. That doesn’t make me any more willing to follow the other extremists.

The term genocide has two very distinct meanings. One is the juridical meaning, and I believe there is enough substance to have this disputed at the ICC. I’m all for bringing netanyahu and his bunch to justice, and even should the genocide not hold up for some reason, there certainly will be enough evidence crimes against humanity so they can serve a long long time.

The other is the moral meaning. But in my eyes this is very overused by the antizionist zeal. It was already used right on October 7th before Israel did any reaction to the hamas attacks, and for every single action since. The story of the boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

it’s arguments like this which makes the movement seem so uneducated:

The fact that they are commiting crimes against humanity, which are on pat (if nor worst) to what the Nazis did to the Jews is unquestionable.

The Nazis took every single Jew (and communist, and disabled or homosexual person, or any other scapegoat group) of any age they could find, in Germany, or any conquered country and put them into wagon trains. The trains would take the victims to Dachau or another concentration and working camp, if they were lucky. Dachau is a museum nowadays, school classes go in there joking, and come out very very sober. It’s worth a visit.

If they were less lucky they would be brought to Auschwitz or Treblinka or another of the 6 extermination camps. There they were carefully registered, stripped of clothes, dignity and anything remotely of worth, and then either put directly into the gas chambers. Or they were put into the camp from which workers were selected for moving the bodies into the furnaces. Alternatively, from the camp they were picked for a death march, or a ride on a truck, where the exhaust was funneled into the loading area, with the purpose to asphyxiate the victims. Or they were picked for experiments from the likes of Joseph Mengele. Or or or …

The list of Nazi crimes is much longer than this. And it is also very well documented. These things happened without a doubt.

I see many accusations against the IDF, and the list of accusations of crimes against humanity is long and worth following through before the ICC. But the Nazi comparison only shows you have no real historic perspective.

Since here it’s about a university, the comparison would rather be “would I buy vegan shoes made from a technology developed at a university that also partners with other universities in which – among many other things that happen in a university – also someone busies himself with skinning cows alive.”

And here I come back to my original response. Oh come on, how far do you want to go with a moral outrage with guilt by association?

With such a moral attitude, taken seriously, I would starve barefoot. But I don’t, and I also don’t suggest it to others. Veganism has a hard stance as it is. I would refrain from such a stretchy argument purely to protect the perceived sanity of the movement.

Antizionists quite regularly use these stretchy guilt by association arguments. that is the zeal I mean.

Hm let’s see. Do you support those same Israelis also should they succeed and want to continue to live in their own country?

To me it looks like you apply standards rather arbitrary, not because the standards are reasonable in the first place, but to loudly proclaim your moral stance. Which is antizionist, and in the internet hardly distinguishable from its bigger sister antisemitism. And particularly the arbitration is a reason to suspect your comment has little to do with Protons CEOs stance towards AI, but much more with intoxicating everything with antizionist rhetoric.

This article alone will be reason enough for countless raids and stolen laptops and phones, but not from billionaires.

More likely one of his kids that he doesn’t live with.

Look, as a vegan I know how hard it is to draw lines between people who choose to inflict unnecessary suffering and who merely don’t think much about that and live their lives as well as they can. If I would go with that zeal of the antizionist crowd I would expect everyone else to starve because almost nothing is “untainted” (and remain very opportunistic with my own consumption standards)

By that logic you probably also cancel anyone who uses Microsoft, because undoubtedly they also make business with Israel.

Oh come on. Guilt by association for everyone that deals with the ETH Zürich.

Why though? just don’t vote Republican.

Yeah, stockholders that had no problems with Ukraine using it until turncoat Trump made a deal with Russia. Only then suddenly they have qualms.

The reparability and long life argument is over blown in my eyes. My family has a few iPhones that got updates for 8 years and had no issues the whole time. A one time replacement of the battery in a repair shop is a good investment.

Nevertheless, the sovereignty that comes with /e/IS is unmatched by other vendors. And the promise about fair production lines is also reassuring.

Same. Have been using mine for almost a year now, and you may count me as a happy user.

In any sane state that values freedom the whole business model would be illegal.

There is none around here.

Not really. In general the founder of Christianity, Paul, disapproved of fucking slaves.*

I know this is different from US slaveholder practices, but you gotta point out where these self described Christians deviate.

*edit: i double checked and found myself wrong. Paul apparently never said anything regarding fucking slaves, and under Roman law and practice this was just commonplace.

Careful. Behind the persona of the hot young woman likely hides a 53yo Republican.