I hope there get to be alternatives to Starlink soon. Ideally it would be a publicly held company that (somehow) limits that no single individual can own more than 1% of the company. Honestly, that’s how all publicly traded companies should be set up!!
I hope there get to be alternatives to Starlink soon. Ideally it would be a publicly held company that (somehow) limits that no single individual can own more than 1% of the company. Honestly, that’s how all publicly traded companies should be set up!!
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I think it’s just an excuse, he has interfered before for no valid reason
Yeah, there’s no way one rich man should have so much geopolitical power.
He lives with no valid reason.
Musk is charging Ukraine $2500 per month per Starlink terminal, for over 250,000 terminals. Musk is making bank for shitty service (it’s not fast enough for gaming) and then he cuts services for partisan purposes, costing Ukrainian lives.
The upsell maneuver reminds me of when Verizon tried to do the same thing to California wildfire response services when communications cut out during disaster control efforts. That didn’t play well, either.
it’s not fast enough for gaming
Dawg, you need like a 5 megabit connection for online gaming, if even that. Starlink offers multiple times that at the minimum.
I can understand it being too slow for many things, but gaming is one of the worst examples you could’ve possibly given.
Couldn’t find a reliable source for the 250,000 figure. The closest thing I could find was 50,000 in 2025.
I hate this as much as you do, but come on, don’t make shit up.
The co-founder of the Ukraine Defense Fund, which has helped secure Starlink access for the Ukrainian military, told The Atlantic that he estimates there are now over 250,000 Starlink terminals in use across the war zone.
I found the article in The Atlantic (Paywall bypass here):
[Musk’s] company has earned hundreds of millions of dollars from the Starlink terminals operating in the war zone. Liscovich estimates there are well over 250,000 of them. In the past, SpaceX, which runs Starlink, has reportedly charged the Ukrainian government $2,500 per terminal each month, and it has cut off service when bills go unpaid. Earlier this month, when U.S. military officials asked SpaceX about the outages in Ukraine, the company advised switching to an upgraded contract to restore Ukraine’s access, U.S. officials told us. (Musk and SpaceX did not respond to questions for this article.)
As for incapacity for gaming of Starlink, that’s anecdotal, having heard it is a problem from fellow gamers here in the States that depend on Starlink. There’s enough of a lag to disallow for common action games, although this is a known issue consistent with all satellite internet services. Hence the need for rural ISP buildout blocked by the big communications oligopolies (and presently the well-bribed Trump administration)
You’re remarkably antagonistic for a Lemming. Are you sure you’re not a Musk-shill or a bot?
We pulled expensive, heavy copper wire to every rural area in the 1930s-40s, we could pull cheap and lightweight fiber on the same poles easily today.
I found the article in The Atlantic
Fair enough, I couldn’t find that article.
here’s enough of a lag to disallow for common action games
Lag is different from a lack of speed, which that person claimed. Lag = latency, nothing to do with speed.
You’re remarkably antagonistic for a Lemming. Are you sure you’re not a Musk-shill or a bot?
I really really really hate this redditor style tendency to call everyone who corrects facts they want to believe in a shill or a bot. I couldn’t have made it more clear that I’m not a Musk fan:
I hate this as much as you do, but come on, don’t make shit up.
It’s just that I’m overly concerned with facts, likely due to my neurodivergence. These kinds of comments feels kind of ableist, although that again is probably something I might get shit on for, as you’re not supposed to call out ableism on this platform.
I don’t understand this bot thing either. I haven’t seen a single one of these bots you’re talking about. Repost bots, sure, but agenda pushing bots? The entities that push that stuff clearly aren’t interested in this platform yet. On Reddit it’s very obvious.
Are you really comparing latencies od GEO sattelites 35.000km away from earth to LEO sattelites that stay at 500km?
C’mon, starlink latencies are very close to normal cable internet
Bandwidth doesn’t matter for gaming - latency does. You could have a 100Gbps connection, but if it has a latency of 1000ms then it’s useless for gaming.
Yeah, but I bet those ping times are just awful. And that can definitely interfere with gaming.
I thought so too, then I googled it. It’s actually not a bad latency at all. Better than some cabled connections I’ve used in the past.
Might not be very stable though.
Hmm, that’s somewhat surprising. And agreed on stability being sus.
In the end, though, even if it was a perfect connection, I would never know cause fuck that guy. With a 2x4 with rusty nails in it. Obviously.
Agreed!
Elon the grifter?
Elon the Nazi?
Hard to believe isn’t it!
is that not a sensible and highly ethical strategy for opposing a war?
I just still cannot believe that happened and just…no one cares.
I’m being pedantic, but there are those of who obviously care that this fuck nugget did this.
Nobody who matters cares.
We don’t matter :/
If there is a defining single feature of fascism, it is that only some people matter. He demonstrated that he is a fascist and that the country has become fascist in one movement.
I thought the same as I typed my comment…
Naah. People cared for about a day. Then, their distractions took over.
And there it is. Fuckers.
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Goddamn this guy can’t go one minute without being a complete piece of shit, his death will brighten my day
His death with be celebrated all over the world. I imagine it will be second only to Trump’s at this point.
It will be a toss up between him and Putin and Netanyahu.
I’d still like to see his ass deported though
The fact that a country under attack needs to pay for these kind of things is already insane by itself.
@realitaetsverlust @technology It’s true, there is no free lunch.
Teslas in a few years:
“We notice that you’re in an uncontrolled spin; uncontrolled spins violate Tesla’s terms and conditions; your airbags have been deactivated. Upgrade now to the super spender safety plan for a one off payment of $30k to unlock instant airbag activation”.
Fuck this absolute cunt who’s the biggest drain on society since Nero.
“pray i don’t alter it any further”…That extortion has an end date, hopefully 2030, when the EU’s Iris2 gets operational. Until then however Elon can play his nasty game, at least for the higher quality level of the service.
You cant fix the problem with SpaceX starlink by using SpaceX rockets.
*fingers crossed
The dispute isn’t that they’re not allowed to use Starlink for murder drones, it’s that the murder drone plan is more expensive.
SpaceX is not actually supposed to even have direct control over Starshield. It uses Starlink infrastructure, but is a military application that is supposed to be under the control of the federal government.
SpaceX shouldn’t have the option to pitch different plans.
They have been opeque as to whether this is actually starshield or starlink. Elon is not supposed to have any control over starshield - that is supposed to be controlled by the Pentagon.
You do realize that reactive jet shahed interceptors are also using starlink and also hit the speed limit wall?
What does that matter? How fast can a children’s hospital be moving?
Tankie much?
What? You think that statement was a negative towards Ukraine?
Mocking the news outlets for making the cutoff seem like they were violating the TOS by using Starlink for drone strikes. But Musk just charges more for that, a lot more. Because you can charge a military almost anything for the same product.
You called them “murder drones”, like you disapproved of Ukraine using drone warfare in their fight to defend themselves. That’s tankie behavior.
I don’t understand your reaction, all the guy was saying was if Ukraine wants to stream Murder Drones, the hit Australian indie animated web series, then they need to pay Elon more for it. What’s so controversial about that?
You know what’s funny, that’s likely exactly why I plucked that phrase out of my head and now people who know nothing about me are losing their minds over it.
You are simultaneously mocking the free press while also mocking the hardships of people in Ukraine.
When the way you talk is identical to how tankies talk, people are going to call you a tankie.
What? You think that statement was a negative towards Ukraine?
We have eyes and the capability of reading. It very obviously was that.
When I first read the original comment again the thread was lovely empty and very new, I didn’t read it as a negative one, but rather as satire. (Obviously, I have no idea what the original author meant. But it looks like it was meant as satire.)
Disagree. Defensive or offensive, you’re still killing people. It’s war.
It’s most likely a neutral statement.
You do understand that it makes Starlink very hard to differentiate from a military system. Starlink has stockholders and a board and Musk is still beholdant to them. What if Russia starts downing the satelites? What then?
btw Starlink has an actual military side. It’s called a “starshield” that is the “murderdrone plan” while starlink is the civilian side with speed limits on recievers and all that. We can’t know what Ukraine really is using or was using and people are discussing that when people in Ukraine and Nato say starlink for Ukraine they mean starshield.
If Starlink wasn’t run by a fascist supremacist corporate dickhead, they’d offer their plan for fucking free, to show their support towards Ukraine. That was the whole fucking point. This was going on right when the US and Europe were offering military and weapons aid.
Instead, Elon Musk took one look at Rule of Acquisition #34 and ran with it. He used it as a PR stunt, and took it away to ask for more money.
If he was not a fascist, like fascist Trump he would be supporting our the fascists in OUR war against fascists Russia and fascist pootin.
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inb4: “fucking tankie”
If Starlink wasn’t run by a fascist… they’d offer their plan for fucking free.
This is capitalism, and SpaceX (aka Starlink) is a publicly traded corporation. It doesn’t matter who is in charge of SpaceX, the CEO will be required to operate in the best interests of the shareholders. Ukraine is not one of those shareholders. Therefore, per your own statement, the CEO of SpaceX will always be a fascist since they’ll prioritize profit over the Ukrainian people.
This is kinda the point “The Tankies” are making.
Yeah, stockholders that had no problems with Ukraine using it until turncoat Trump made a deal with Russia. Only then suddenly they have qualms.
They have qualms when their capital and profits are threatened.
You do know if any country attacks a satelite there will be a flock of countries going to war for a treaty violation? Civilian or not.
You mean west will write strongly worded protest and give more weapons to Ukraine? yeah.
