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Elon: The actual number of moves that are not utterly stupid in chess is tiny and chess will be fully solved one day
Chess.com: Skill issue
Elon: Chess is hard for humans, but not for computers. One day, it will be fully solved like checkers. Between now and then, or even after, have fun. People enjoy may games/sports where machines are vastly better.
Chess.com: There are more possible chess games, by about 40 order of magnitude, than atoms in the observable universe. To solve chess, you’d have to map them all. Good luck.
Elon: Wrong, all legal chess positions are ~40 ooms less than the estimated atoms in the Universe. And ASI will figure out ways to solve and compress that are far beyond what we could possibly comprehend. (Here I am arguing with some random intern at a chess website)
Chess.com: I’m a full-time employee
Elon: (something-emoji)
Chess.com: Even my friends don’t text me back that fast
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“Even my friends don’t text me back that fast” is a wonderful insult.
Our lad just starched the richest man in the world in his own office.
straight up baking soda’d his ass
Laid down the diatomaceous earth around the perimeter.
When I read that line I audibly whispered
”god damn dude”
I verbally oofed
The guy who pays people to play video games for him so he can fail at pretending he played himself in a “Hello, fellow kids” moment is pretending to be smart again? Wild.
What is ASI? Adolescent Sexualised Imagery?
Artificial sentient intelligence maybe
Artificial Super Intelligence.
If it’s made by Elon Musk’s company then these are the same picture.
I’m a ssSUPER! Thanks for asssking!
I feel like the whole point of this stunt (even if it backfired on him) was to introduce ASI as the next goal for investors.
Ass shit iguana
Aging Smarmy Idiot, Elon is the model
Flipping the entire table after crapping on an the pieces is Elon’s idea of a solved game
The man with the Large Paedophilia Model can’t even solve himself.
He’s got a text file on his computer called Elon’s Chess Moves
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I don’t understand why people play tennis, I can solve tennis without any Ai. All you need is a wall.
I don’t understand why people compete in swimming. A motorized raft could cross that pool so much faster.
I don’t understand why people read anymore. Text to speech has been around for decades.
I don’t understand why people look at sunsets. Realistic photographs have been around for dozens of years.
What do you mean I have multiple psychological disorders? I have a lot of money so I must be perfect.
/s this is all a joke, I understand the concept of having fun and playing
Walls, rafts, and even text to speech are all things that have helped humanity. “Solving chess” will not benefit us at all, it will just be a benchmark to sell to investors.
Well yeah true but not the point. People play chess because they enjoy playing chess. People play tennis, swimming and reading because they enjoy those activities. They don’t need to be “solved” because it’s the act of doing which is the benefit.
In contrast not many people “enjoy” say doing laundry. They enjoy having clean clothes. The end goal is the benefit. People don’t enjoy calculating the standard deviation of 1500 data points. No one is excited on Friday because that weekend they will get to do that. It might be useful for something, may lead to other discoveries, or help them with completing some other task but the result is the goal not the act.
People may be excited because they are going on a hike that weekend. The act of hiking is the goal. People enjoy bike riding. Yeah it’s “solved” since you can just have a car/motorcycle take you anywhere much faster with less effort but people enjoy the act of riding a bike.
I think we are actually saying the same thing
Atleast we both agree that solving chess is stupid goal and should not be done.
you don’t really need to brute force every single possibility
And Elon is reading the correct CS/math blogs by pointing out that only legal moves need to be considered.
If he was a little more on his toes, he might point out that Go has a vastly larger state-space than chess, yet it was one of the first problems that fell to GenAI, which is able to find crazy-complex high-dimensional heuristics/“intuition” navigating such spaces.
Naw it wasn’t genAI, it was the deep learning stuff that came before, when ML was still cool.
when ML was still cool.
God damn I feel that in my bones.
It was one of the first instances of genAI. The team at Google figured out that you take a classifier, flip it round to make a generator, then set it against the classifier to train itself
GAN have been around way before…
Except, Go isn’t a solved game. Which is what we’re taking about here.
Elon doesn’t read anything except social media posts.
Go isn’t a solved game
Depends what you mean by “solved”
Mapped the entire state space so next move is just a lookup in a huge table? No, Universe not big enough.
Game is no longer generally winnable by humans no matter their level of skill? Yes, that happened.
Moving the goalposts.
What I mean is simply the definition of a solved game. From any position, the outcome of the game can be correctly predicted assuming both players play perfect moves from then on.
You’ll note that Go is not on the list, but is down under ‘partially solved’ as it has weak solves (solved under limited conditions) only at a 5x5 and 7x7 board in 2015.
Humans play on a 19x19 board, which is 145 orders of magnitude above 7x7. It’ll not likely be solved by an LLM until it has storage space, RAM, and processing speed several-dozen orders of magnitude larger than all that which currently exists on Earth.
I wouldn’t say Go “fell to GenAI”
Go grandmaster Shin defeats AI KataGo in historic human victory
The world’s top Go player notches a 2-1 comeback win against the most powerful Go engine, raising hope for human intellect in the AI era
As the article shows, the Pros don’t treat AI the same as a human player and often don’t attack its weaknesses and instead try to find more interesting ways to defeat it and learn more about the game.
“I noticed KataGo tends to match moves if I open on the opposite komoku, but I didn’t want to win that way,” Shin said. Komoku is the Japanese term for the three-to-four point on a Go board.
Although it should be noted that Shin Jin-seo did start with a 2 stone handicap. But this also alters the AI to play more risky moves it wouldn’t normally.
One thing that is super cool about Go is the ability to add a handicap.
A handful of prodigies are still able to sometimes beat the AI.
I count that as solved, the same way a few crumbs on my plate means I have “finished” my meal
Man with no friends doesn’t understand the point of playing a game beyond “solving” and “winning” the game. I wonder why he has no friends.
Psychopath mentality.
wtf is the order one is supposed to read this in?
Month-day-year social media format
The person who put three screenshot together would have gained so much respect to me if they just took 5 extra seconds to paste it in reading order.
Twitter-brained people think being Twitter-brained is the default.
Something I’ll never understand about twitter. Maybe it was more readable before the nazi took it over?
Twitter threads have never made any fucking sense.
It was always that unintuitive.
Fibonacci
*Fibonazi
2, 1, 3, 5, 4, 6, 8, 7, 9, 10, of course, silly! 😝
Hope this actually helps someone read it quicker though
uhh, parentheses first i guess
Middle (thing being rexeeted), top (rexeet caption), bottom (reply). Repeat for each screenshot.
Elon Musk is the personification of a moron’s hallucination of a genius.
thats the ketamine, cocaine and dom perrignon talking.
He such and irredeemable dumbass.
What does it mean to “solve” chess? And what does he mean checkers is “solved”? Shirley, he can’t still be mad that he’s bad at chess, no? (Yes, yes he can)
Solved means that the best move is known for all positions. “Best move” meaning the move that leads to the highest chance of victory vs an opponent that also always plays the best move.
For example, “three in a row” is solved. You literally cannot lose.
… if you start and know what to do. It is perfectly possible to lose for either player. Unless maybe if both players want to lose?
Of coures it is meant “logically”. If you don’t know what to do not even a rubic’s cube is solved.
If you do not start, you draw btw. :)
What? Checkers is “solved” ?
Like tic-tac-toe, there’s a way to play checkers so that it always forces a win or a draw for you. That’s not possible yet in chess.
Yeah, every possible combination of checkers moves has been simulated and analyzed. We know everything there is to know about playing checkers, there’s no new strategies to discover. We can write an algorithm that will ALWAYS choose the best possible move.
You may have independently done that with Tic Tac Toe.
It’s not possible to do with chess. The number of possible combinations of moves is astronomical; if we used up every atom in the observable universe we couldn’t write them all down, so there might be revolutionary new strategies that remain undiscovered, and that will never not be the case.
Fun fact: a tarot deck has 72 different cards. That means there’s 72! combinations, which is a number that is roughly 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 larger than the amount of atoms in the observable universe.
ahem permutations
No thank you, I just ate.
Makes me remember the news a decade ago that went like “Elon Musk the genius billionaire who reads rocket science books to take us all to Mars”. Yeah he probably did read them, without really understanding details, so that he could throw around technical words to impress people. It worked for a short while but he wasn’t clever enough to keep his stupid ideas to him so he exposed himself basically.
did you actually ever watch a single interview with the person that you’re talking about or are you just regurgitating what others have said? serious question
Just to double check, we are talking about Elon right? Lol. I also have to note, you downvote a comment for which you don’t know if that person has any sources for what they said or not? Is that really a “serious question” or are you just coming to the dicussion with very strong and unfounded priors, the thing you are accusing me of.
I have watched multiple interviews featuring him. But more importantly I have seen dozens of comments made by him on various technical/societial topics that completely missed the mark (even though he was 100% confident). I am sure I can still find atleast three or four if you have somehow missed all of Elon’s tweets for the last decade and are interested. By the tone of your message I feel like you have opinions or contradicting resources on the matter, care to share?
Elon wants to become a computer so badly, but not even he will put a neuralink chip in his head.
That speaks magnitude about that tech tbh.
Just wishing that for once he became the though leader he thinks he is and pioneered the tech on himself instead of those poor monkeys.
This guy is such a loser.
I love how everyone here is like “hur hur, Elon is a moron” (and of course he is).
But in the end they’re just talking around each other. And are both right it seems.
The number of atoms in the universe is about 10^80. The number of possible games (which the chess.com guy was talking about) was once estimated to be about 10^120 (so 40 magnitudes larger). The number of possible positions is currently estimated at about 10^40 positions (so about 40 magnitudes smaller).
In the end i’d say positions is more important in solve a game than ways to get to those positions. For each position you need to know the perfect next move.
But Elon not noticing he’s talking about something different than the Chess.com guy is… intriguing XD.
