50 and older, I’m sorry, but in my personal experience, your advice has been a little out of date.

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    At least contribute to your 401k to get the full match from your employer if offered. More if you can afford it. Time in the market is huge. Make a budget, have emergency savings. There’s little point in investing if an emergency happens and you have to withdraw your retirement at a potential loss, and that’s before penalties and tax. Take care of your body, especially joints. Be even a little bit active regularly. Figure out a decently healthy diet. These will help prevent health issues which can be expensive. Plus you might look better and feel better too.

    All of this sound like too much? Pick one or two and try doing them consistently even if it’s half assed. Half assing something consistently for a long time is much, much better than putting in a ton of effort, burning out, and returning to old patterns. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.

    Sorry I know that kinda veered into fitness but I see a lot of parallels in personal finance and fitness/nutrition. Both involve budgets and benefit from a plan and spreadsheets.

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    If you can afford a house, try as hard as you can not to buy a house that you can barely afford with a 30yr mortgage. Limit yourself to a house where you can afford it with a 15yr mortgage. I did that in my 30s and now in my 40s I don’t have a mortgage anymore. Obviously with the current housing market this advice won’t help many.

    To those people, I’d say: stop using a basic savings account. Get a High Yield Savings Account. They pay 3.5-4% interest at the moment. Zero risk, and you can even havd a card attached to it for spending. They’re liquid. Got 1k sitting in savings? That’s $35/yr free money you’re missing out on. 10k? $350/yr. Best part? When inflation starts going crazy and the fed increases interest rates to control it, your money starts making even more money. Not enough to fix everything, but it does help a little.

    If you can, max out your 401k. Put money in a Roth IRA too.

    If you want to play with stocks safely use index funds. Something like SPY for the S&P500. 98% of day traders lose money. Every trade someone makes is measured against the market. The trade you made increased 2% in the last week? Well, the market was up 2.8%. It’s like gambling and the market is the house. The market eventually always wins and everyone else loses.

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      Only one problem with the S&P500: a massive chunk of it is AI speculation, like 30%+, and that bubble will pop. Recommend bonds or metals until it does. Then switch back.

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        Diversified stock without AI exposure is an option. Bonds give less return and also are looking a bit funny these days, while metals give literally zero.

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          Everything in the market is exposed to varying degrees, unless you have something particular in mind? If you can think of a stock that will go up when AI goes into freefall, name it, please.

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      If you can afford a house, try as hard as you can not to buy a house that you can barely afford with a 30yr mortgage. Limit yourself to a house where you can afford it with a 15yr mortgage. I did that in my 30s and now in my 40s I don’t have a mortgage anymore. Obviously with the current housing market this advice won’t help many.

      I got a 30 year mortgage at a fixed 2.something % 15 years ago and am very happy with that because I could invest more in stocks with a higher rate of return.

      'Course, with the current interest rates that won’t help many either…

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    I’m over 50 so apparently I don’t count. But if I did I would say maximize salary. Live below your means. Invest because compound interest is your biggest ally.

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    HSA > 401k > Roth or backdoor your Ira. High yield savings charge every time you can get an extra half point of interest.

    Do not, I repeat do not touch your fucking hsa unless you absolutely must and are dead dying on the ground. Take out a small loan before you touch your hsa. A little interest will be cheap as fuck compared to a years loss of hsa funds.

    Look at how hope much fees cost. They are sneaky. Vanguard is the standard with low cost target date and index funds.

    do not fuck with day trading unless you feel like gambling

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        They’re both tax advantaged accounts - meaning you don’t have to pay taxes on them in most situations.

        HSA is supposed to be a Health Savings Account, but has turned into more of a retirement account. 401k is Americas sad replacement for pensions as workers need to contribute to it and so it largely only helps wealthier people.

        The more general advice would be - make sure to save and invest money (preferably in ways that avoid taxes if possible).

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          Can you explain what you mean about the HSA being more of a retirement account? Can’t you only use that money on medical or health related purchases? I understand the possible tax savings through an HSA, but I don’t see how it could be a retirement account.

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          The title didn’t say “40 year olds in the US” now did it? Am I required to research every poster’s history? Jeez.

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            Is every responder supposed to research how investing and retirement works in every country on the planet and answer in kind? If you don’t have these programs where you live then just keep scrolling or submit your own response.

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              No, man, I just wanted an explanation. And I got one from another kind soul.

              Why even make that comment, it adds nothing to the discussion IMHO.

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                It seems disingenuous to claim that you were “looking for an explanation” when you very clearly knew they were a US thing. It seemed more like you’re complaining because someone gave a response that’s only applicable to people in the US.

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            Are you required to open your virtual mouth anytime something isn’t directed at you? Are you op? Did I answer your question? If you hadn’t opened your virtual mouth would you be here having me shit talk you like a toddler?

            How about you consider what actions you took to end up here.

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              I’m sorry you seem to have a bad day, hope you’ll have a better one tomorrow. I won’t be fazed by a stranger trying to berate me 😄

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            I think the confusion about your reply is that it reads like you’re assuming the person giving advice was being ego-centric or thinking everyone lives in the US or something, when in reality they were just answering the question. Nothing malicious. Spreading their own wisdom.

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        Yup.

        The Canadian equivalent is a TFSA, unless you max it out (congrats), then RRSP. Apparently there’s niche cases where RRSP is better, so look into it a bit.

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          RRSP contributions are income tax deductible, and up to $60k from the account can be used toward a down payment for a home. For someone trying to buy, its a good idea to focus on that RRSP first.

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    Learn to cook & meal-prep. Invest time into your health and fitness. Self-host as many techy services as you can (bonus points for Arr stack - streaming services are expensive). Try to “BIFL” where possible - Terry Pratchett said it best:

    The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. … A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. … But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

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    Set aside some time to understand how your pension and the tax system works.

    It’s dull as hell, but you will need it.

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    money (you need enough) so keep dollar cost averaging into ETF, don’t forget the world is a big place, so international as well and consider the debasement trade.

    Switch to income investing when you “retire”, don’t try and time markets.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuNKV0CMgcVUiJNdA-JNlJA

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxU4PhPfJEBgaeYT1rMhvCg

    and physical health ; no smoking, no drinking, moderate cardio (running cycling etc) and lift weights to help prevent muscle loss and osteo.

    and mental health: hike, enjoy the woods, spend time with friends and family you care for

    Am 61, retired at 40 , gf is 57.

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    There is no hope without a revolution.

    But also whenever you get a raise or pay off a loan take the majority of that money you would have added to your regular paycheck and put it in your superannuation (or your country’s equivalent retirement fund) as an automatic deduction. That way you’re saving without feeling the pinch of giving something up.

    Also once you reach an age you start dealing with funerals you’ll realise how nightmarish and expensive that whole process is, so get a proper legal will made up.

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      And go where? Do you realize how hard it is to immigrate? Even if you’re successful, find a cowpany who will sponsor a visa, everywhere I look seems to be taking sharp right turns. AfD in Germany, crazy grandchildren of literal Nazi collaborators in France, the grand daughter of Mussolini is prime minister of Italy. UK is doing whatever the hell it is that they do.

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        I’d still rather be in Canada or the EU.

        And I totally realize how hard it is. I’m fucking stuck here. The U.S. has turned into a gigantic prison. It’s just my advice m. If I could expatriate I would. But realistically I’m just going to stay here and vote and then the maga Nazis will probably kill me at some point when they start their own final solution. I’m just sayin’.

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          I’m not really up to date on Canadian affairs, but I would absolutely not be surprised if they have anti-american sentiment and actively try to discourage or prevent people from immigrating to canada, specifically US citizens.