But the most significant change in modern science is not just about the amount of noise, but how we experience it. Noise is no longer understood solely as a problem that affects hearing, it is also recognised as a systemic environmental pollutant. Transport noise is now one of the leading environmental cause of illness in Europe, second only to air pollution.
I’ll pencil that one in right below healthcare and education.
Correlation vs causation maybe?
I haven’t read them all, but the article links to a few of them (some are paywalled, unfortunately. Anna’s archive might have them, I haven’t checked):
1 - Impact of noise and air pollution on the cardiovascular system through the brain–heart axis
2 - The combined effect of air and transportation noise pollution on atherosclerotic inflammation and risk of cardiovascular disease events
3 - A review of the auditory-gut-brain axis
4 - Recent Advancements in Understanding the Gut Microbiome and the Inner Ear Axis
5 - Gut Resistome and Hearing Loss in Young Adults: A Preliminary Study on the Interplay Between Microbial Resistance and Auditory Health
6 - Oxidative stress and inflammation contribute to traffic noise-induced vascular and cerebral dysfunction via uncoupling of nitric oxide synthases
7 - Homo sapiens, industrialisation and the environmental mismatch hypothesisYou can also have a look at this meta analysis of another 22 articles that met their criteria and further dive into each of them:
Tagging @Broken_Orange_Juice@lemmy.world as they also showed interest
My gosh, I’ll give them a read, thank you
Yeah I wanna see the paper to see if they controlled for this
gonna print this out and tape it to my upstairs neighbors door
ironically, cars are the only thing that allow you to live a quiet life out in the country
Nah, just live in a reasonable country with public transportation that runs through the country.
Hell, even the US had trains that mostly go wayyy out in the middle of nowhere
Until they build a datacenter nextdoor, that is
Luckily you can still buy tannerite at Tractor Supply for that eventuality.
nah, that’s just because people want the convenience
you can absolutely do this without owning a personal motor vehicle, and getting around by public transport or bicycle or other means and having building materials and whatnot delivered by truck
endless barking dogs is my main noise gripe, fark…
Crying children in public spaces where you cant just get away from them, mine
I have someone else’s baby living in my house and it’s ruined my life and marriage. Fuck kids.
Fuck internal combustion engines with no exhaust, or amplified exhaust, or “loud” exhaust.
And double fuck the sorry assholes who ride/own them.
I get so stressed from too much noise and there’s nothing I can do about it. If anything it’s so much worse since starting hormones
Noise cancelling earbuds? Even the $30 ones are pretty good.
they don’t do a damn thing when the noise intensity or frequency just reverberates through your entire body… rumbles and shakes your house… or scares tf out of your dog.
I’ve had seedlings of this idea earlier this year so I’m happy to see this. It’s my fault for letting it rile me up so much, but neighborhood security cameras that make fuckass noises or yell “HI UR ON CAMERA” anger me to a likely unhealthy degree. They take a peaceful enough morning dog walk through a relatively low traffic noise neighborhood and shatter my peace of mind absorbing what little nature sounds I can. I’ve already made peace with myself that everyone now is too big a paranoid piss baby that they have to have their doorbell cams and other cams hoovering up my image into the panopticon against my will and consent. But then to have them fucking talk at me is beyond the pale.
neighborhood security cameras that make fuckass noises or yell “HI UR ON CAMERA”
Those exist??
One of my old neighbors had one. I would walk by it every day walking to the bus stop, I started flipping it off. So fucking annoying.
I’d bring an air horn with me
I’m so tired of assholes just ruining things for others, if it’s going to happen to me then we’re all going down, fuckers. I’m not going to just tolerate the bullshit and abuse anymore
like LED headlights. if I can’t see, my LED high beams are turning on so that you can’t see either. I didn’t start this, you did. sorry to the people behind the offending driver that I am possibly affecting but can’t even see. that asshole driver will just keep doing the same thing if they don’t feel any consequences.
They’re popular in my country. The camera swivels to follow you as you pass, and when someone walks by it screams over and over
YOU ARE UNDER SURVEILLANCE
…which is doubly insane because only like 10% of the population understand English in this country
I love my iems partly because of the natural noise cancelation.
What I find most annoying are people who just can’t shut up on top of everything else.
Cities Aren’t Loud: Cars Are Loud
Urban noise is a common problem, and the vast majority of it is created by motor vehicles. Noise is far too often dismissed as a minor nuisance, rather than the legitimate health issue that it is.
The book “Curbing Traffic” has a chapter about the health impacts of noise pollution. I explore the research in the book, and visit Delft, the city that is highlighted in the book as being a shining example of what can happen when noise pollution is taken seriously.
This video explores the problem that farting cars, farting motorcycles, and farting mopeds create in our cities.
Motorbikes are without a doubt my biggest source of audio-related stress. Cars are noisy too, but only a sliver in comparison.
Then there’s the special breed of bikers who go out of their way to announce themselves as infuriatingly as possible. I wish them a hot and itchy sleep tonight.
Then there’s the special breed of bikers who go out of their way to announce themselves as infuriatingly as possible. I wish them a hot and itchy sleep tonight.
Some are absolutely obnoxious about this, but there is also a safety issue. A lot of car drivers don’t watch carefully enough for motorcycles (or bicycles). Being quiet is dangerous, it makes it more likely that drivers won’t notice you, and then you get hit because they didn’t see you either, and you’re not in an armored box, so you become a human crayon. Being loud on the road keeps you alive.
Ok so let’s fix both
Public transit? Do I hear public transit?
Came here to say this. Fuck cars.
irrelevant in residential areas
This logic falls apart because the only time I ever hear motorcycles is when I’m not driving.
Whenever I’m driving, I’m generating my own road noise and listening to music. Just like most other drivers. People around here barely react to emergency sirens, they’re not hearing the busted pipes on an abused Harley. Motorcycle guys just like making loud noises, if they cared about safety? They wouldn’t ride a motorcycle.
I think motorcycles are cool as hell. But since the introduction of modern workplace safety laws, motorcycle crashes are the leading cause of amputations in the USA, so I’ll never ride one. I don’t think they should be banned, but it blows my mind that people choose to ride them given how dangerous they are.
This is some highly enriched, weapons grade bullshit. You want drivers to see you? Don’t drive like an idiot. The best way to be hit by a car when you’re on a motorbike is to drive way faster than everyone else, change lanes constantly, overtake cars on the right and split lanes. Guess who does that the most? Idiots on loud bikes.
On top of that you will not hear a bike driving behind you, no matter how loud it is. I have no idea in what fantasy scenarios laud bikes save anyone. It’s 100% just a stupid excuse used by obnoxious idiots.
Motorcycles are fun as hell, but safety has nothing to do with loudness and everything to do with hyper situational awareness and anticipating problems. The fatality curve peaks squarely in the Dunning-Kruger zone. New riders make mistakes but usually resulting in no or lesser injuries because they’re scared and careful. It’s when people get (over) confident at a year or so that the real problems come, usually resulting in a really bad scare or death or major injury. Those that (can and do) continue become super aware of their surroundings and mostly the safest drivers out there, and the death and accident rate goes way down.
Truthfully driving societies would be way better off if people had to start on motorbikes (or ebikes) before starting to drive around 2 tons of death, the awareness stays with you. That said, fuck cars.
None of any of that has anything to do with noise, cars are sound isolated against their own noise FFS. In aggregate cars make much more noise than motorbikes anyway, sheer numbers, it’s just that you notice the dickhead with the loud pipes more (when you’re not in a sound isolating car).
Those that (can and do) continue become super aware of their surroundings and are mostly the safest drivers out there, and the death and accident rate goes way down.
That’s a hella cope, just admit you like the danger and embrace it.
If you ride, found the Dunning-Kruger person, if not, why comment?
FWIW, I’m retired from that now, but survived a decade or so with barely a scratch and a couple of exhaust burns. Just regular bikes now, and car (for now), mores the pity, but it wasn’t the danger, it was the feeling of speed and responsiveness. They suck in traffic, but a windy mountain road? Exhilarating.
why comment?
Because the concept that there’s a sweet spot where motorcycles are danger free is asinine, even if you, the driver make 0 mistakes (as if) you’re much more vulnerable on a motorcycle to other people’s mistakes.
you can absolutely hear a loud bike approaching your blind spot, which is kind of the important time to be noticing them
even I can hear them with my half deafness and shitty loud car that you have to yell in to have a conversation on the highway
Been riding for nearly two decades at this point but this is a myth. People fail to hear emergency vehicles. Your loud pipes aren’t saving you.
No they aren’t, but it makes them feel less shitty about the behavior.
If the only way I could safely drive my vehicle was to be a loud obnoxious fuck constantly to everyone in a quarter mile radius in heavily populated areas, I would simply take a different mode of transportation. RIP to everyone else but I’m different
Oh I agree, motorcycle riding is a very risky thing to do. There’s effectively no protection. It’s not a good idea, even without the context of other drivers. Worse, if you have an accident then the motorcycle becomes a 500-lb hazard .
I think it’s completely understandable that a rider wants to be loud though, especially in the present with so many drivers looking at their phones instead of watching the road.
They don’t listen to music?
The theory is that it keeps them safe because drivers hear them before seeing them.
That’s not how sound works. Sound works by inverse square, light doesn’t. Visibility is way more important. If they wanted to be more noticed they would wear high vis clothing.
Hi vis clothing only matters when they actually see you, which they dont, because they’re looking at their phones. Noise otoh, may make them actually fucking look.
Sincerely, a motorcyclist.
I dunno, I love riding motorcycles, but I’ve never been able to hear a motorcycle on the road while I’m in a car. Unless they’ve just passed me, then I hear them. But by that time, noticing them is not really important, because they’re already past me. The noise from a motorcycle is from it’s exhaust, the exit of the vehicle. So it makes sense that it’s noisier behind them. If you wanted to be heard before you’re seen, then you’d have an air horn mounted to the front constantly blowing. And that would get you killed by any number of the previously sane people that you run into.
Maybe we should reduce the number of cars.
Makes more sense than their argument
The thing that’s causing health problems is the constant background noise which emanates from all road vehicles. Bikes may be annoying in the short term, but the vast majority of noise comes from cars.
A million years ago southpark had an episode about that…
In the before times. In the long long ago.
As a former rider, apologies. Whenever I drove in the city I kept the noise and rpm low so you could not make me out between the cars.
It is easily doable, but there are many assholes.
Motorcycles are a close 2nd only to my neighbors who leave their dogs out barking all night
Well you could always have my neighbours who leave their dogs barking for days while they’re away AND rev the shit out of their Motorcross bikes right by our house.
Motorbikes are without a doubt my biggest source of audio-related stress.
The worst are those without any mufflers. And they block off streets.
Dude, drinking water isn’t even a right according to our supreme court.
I have mild tinnitus so i forgot what quiet is
I live near(30-50 meters? ) an intertown road and my windows are looking on landing strip of the international airport(1-2 km). My most irritating source of noise are my imbecilic neighbors who can’t bother to let their degenerative kids on street and I’m not even sure if they go to school. So the kids (~10 years old) just scream and stomp on my ceiling. I suspect they’re too dumb to learn anything in school anyway.
Cars are ok. Airport is even more ok.
Cars are ok.
If that’s your take, then you should stop moaning about kids playing indoors.
