Let’s say I, a middle aged cis man went to my doctor, wanting gender affirming care, and my doctor wanted to provide - what, if anything, would the treatment/care consist of? Just making sure my testosterone level was up to Hegseth-approved standards?
Sure. I am past menopause and take low dose hormones (more to avoid migraines and stay healthy than to be more ‘feminine’ but could take more, a lot of doctors do try to reach some level, mine does MHT not HRT ).
Middle-aged guys, yes, I think testosterone is certainly gender-affirming care, and there is no MHT equivalent for men, testosterone requires blood tests, you can’t just find the lowest dose that relieves symptoms, they always aim for some level in the blood. The Viagra/Cialis I think is more to correct for a problem. Or for recreation.
Gynecomastia surgery seems like it’d fit the category.
Yeah, Hair restoration. Testosterone therapy. I think you might have been joking but that’s what those are classified as
Isn’t hair restoration (for men) technically gender nonconformity?
PENIS enlargment, which is have a very sketchy process., also people obsessed with being tall, although not common will try to get leg lengthening surgery.
Is this just a post about your secret love for Peter Hegseth?
Sure, a lot of it is exactly the same. Hormone treatments for men with low-T, hair removal or replacement, plastic surgery, etc. We don’t trend to call it gender affirming care in cisgender people, but that’s exactly what it is.
Yea. Most cosmetic procedures would count. I don’t see how a woman getting breast implants is one iota different than a trans woman getting top surgery.
Yes it exists. It can be adjusting testosterone/estrogen if not at good level, hair transplant, etc But I only know the surface level, not really the details much
Yes.
Gynomastia is a thing that causes some boys to endure a lot of bullying in school. Erectile dysfunction causes issues for older men. The treatment for both of those conditions is gender affirming treatment.
Loads of others, too.
But more to the point, it should not matter why a person needs gender affirming care. That should be a decision between a patient and their doctors, not me, not you, and not the government.
Most gender affirming care is for cis people, they just don’t want to admit it 😂
of course not, it would expose thier hyprocisy, of denying transgender people thier surgeries.
Are you stating that care that affirms your gender is gender affirming care?!?
What’s the difference, my opinion, the definition of gender affirming care is.
Treatment to allow your external body to match the characteristics that you feel your body should be.
Which would include, boob jobs, hair transplants. hormones, anything to build up muscle, anything to fix erectile dysfunction etc…
Erectile dysfunction medication, prostate care, testosterone suppliments and male hormone medications and treatments, and plenty of other things along those lines would certainly qualify as gender affirming care.
Look at any tough-guy gym… There’ll be testosterone offered to make you a “real man”.
Or breast implants for women who want bigger boobs. Those are both designed to help cis folks feel more like they’re the man/woman they think they need to be.
Which is why if gender affirming care is ever outlawed in my purple/red state, I’m going to be reporting the fuck out of the maga gym near by.
That’s not gender affirming care. That’s just men practicing and enhancing their masculinity.
It may be founded in insecurities, but if severe enough those would be treated by a psychologist if an actual treatment were to take place.Is “I hate my shoulders, I wish they were broader so that I could look more manly” and “I hate my boobs, I look like a plank, not a real woman” not dysphoric enough for you?
That’s not dysphoric but an issue with the standards for being what you feel you are.
Living up to ideals is not the same as being a prisoner in a body of a different gender than what you identify as.
Having a penis and hating it to a point where you want it removed, is not the same as having a penis that you think is to small.
Those are VERY different issues.The issues may be valid, they are just not the same as gender dysphoria.
What’s the difference between a cis woman with small boobs getting a boob job, and a trans woman with small boobs getting a boob job?
And between a cis man with big boobs getting them removed, and a trans man with big boobs getting them removed?
I agree your examples are very different issues. Comparing a micro penis to bottom surgery is kind of unfair. Let’s compare total penis reconstruction after injury (phalloplasty for cis men) to penis construction (phalloplasty for trans men) instead. It’s the same procedure and it serves the same purpose, to create a penis for a patient that doesn’t have one. Is a cis man that lost his penis in war body dysmorphic?
The difference is that one has gender dysphoria, the other does not. So although the operation is the same, it is not gender affirming care, because gender affirming care is by definition for people with gender dysphoria.
That’s dysmorphia, not dysphoria
“I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller, I wish I had a girl who looked good I would call her, I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat and a '64 impala”
So is buying a classic car gender affirmation?
roiding up, PED is most certainly gender affirming care, that is also railed on transgendered people. and you see how all those obsessed with it, try justify its usage by saying it "aint bad, or i know its a secret, or people use it to have a better time getting stronger,etc)
This has big “only trans people have gender identity” energy.
Straw man argument.
You don’t know the meaning of the word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent’s proposition through the covert replacement of it.
this is a textbook example of a strawman argument.
Not an straw man at all, they’re not caricaturizing the other person’s argument.
By definition it doesn’t have to be a caricature. But the comment argue3s against a point I never made, that is a straw man argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man”.
If you’re citing logical fallacies on Wikipedia, you have lost the argument. You’re not even citing the right one.
Also, your original argument was wild, and makes little sense at face value. You pretty much said that boob jobs were just a way to affirm gender-related beauty standards for women, but somehow isn’t gender affirming care, because only trans people get to use those words. That is just entirely wrong, and I have no idea how you reached the conclusion that gender cannot be affirmed unless you are trans… Everyone has a gender, and gender can be affirmed. There is healthcare available to do it.
You’re just arbitrarily gatekeeping terminology because you, personally, have only heard it in one context until today. That’s a you problem.
EDIT: Oh no, you posted the link three times, and a mod removed one that included the cringiest rant I have ever read. Buddy, log off. You were wrong. Cope better than this…
Lol refuting a different argument it’s a red herring fallacy, also know as “false clue”. A straw man is responding to a caricaturized and weaker version of the opponent’s argument.
No I just linked the definition and quoted from it, I have proved you wrong yet you persist?!
Denying reality is not a form of debate.Red herring is changing facts to mislead from the actual issue.
So your own post is a red herring.
not gender affirming care
just men practicing their masculinity
how is it different if you have to take medication/surgery to do so?
It’s not the surgery that makes it different, people also have penis enlargement surgery, it’s still not at all similar to having gender dysphoria.
Gender affirming treatment is a specific term for people who have gender dysphoria, so without that you can’t have gender affirming care. It’s like saying a sprained leg and a broken leg is the same, when the underlying problems are very very different.
That’s like asking if you can have an arm treated for being broken when it’s not actually broken.
Or like having your penis treated to become a penis when it’s already a penis.What’s wrong with you?
That’s just like, your opinion man
Would saving someone’s life technically be affirming their gender
Testosterone and estrogen supplements, dick pills, breast augmentation.
Thats just off the top of my head. Trans people are demonized for things cis people do every day
Guys who take testosterone supplements from the gas station becsuse they don’t feel manly.
Guys who have reconstructive surgery to their penis after it gets mangled by whatever they stuck it in because not having a working dick makes them not feel manly.
Taking steroids to cheat at getting bigger muscles because it would make them feel more manly.
