only frame that matters i spose
It was 20,000 feet per minute
Where on earth did you get those numbers?
1100 fps is about Mach 1 at sea level. There was no sonic boom.
Really got my hopes up when I saw it was a learjet taken off from Texas, but alas
it was 22,000 ft/minute which is around 367ft/second. at 22,000ft high they traveled 250mph until the they crashed.
cries in metric
it was 35,200 bananas/minute which is around 587 bananas/second. at 35,200 bananas high they traveled 2,112,000 bananas an hour until they crashed.
Perfection
lol deregulated air travel and inadequate air traffic control! let’s goooooo!
A few pilots in the aviation subreddit speculated it was icing that caused sudden loss of control. Not everything bad has to have a political cause. Sometimes it’s just randomly bad weather for 2 minutes at exactly the wrong time.
sure, and I could theoretically be a Boltzmann brain, but at this point even the shit weather was a political decision.
I’m just repeating what I heard. The aircraft was maxed out on passengers, like crammed in there. They were in a hurry, skirted a storm system too close, flew into a little subsidiary cell, started icing, and the Learjet is apparently quite unforgiving in that set of circumstances especially at full load. Stalled out, oversped, lost the horizontal stabilizer, the end.
doesn’t have anything to do with either of those things. please don’t go spouting about things that you have no knowledge of.
this was a business jet that presumably got caught by the elements before losing control. they were in icing conditions and asked to climb higher to get out of it. and ATC cleared them to climb. not even 5 seconds later the plane calls an emergency as they enter an uncontrollable dive. there’s nothing ATC could’ve done, and the weather is impartial, not political
Weather is impartial, not the organizations tasked with monitoring it. Can you definitively say that NOAA cuts didn’t affect this? ATC is one of dozens of orgs that a) have been cut substantially and b) do have some role in preventing things like this.
i don’t think NOAA cuts affected the pilots’ decision making using a radar in their cockpit, plus 2 controllers advising them of shit weather along their route
weather is not in fact impartial. the conservatives have been ruining it since they buried the first reports of fossil fuels causing it in the 1950s.
I think they are making a very solid point. Deregulation of a heavily regulated industry that has worked like clockwork is being gutted in America. Privatizing things like air travel creates situations like this. I think it’s a little mean spirited and u fair to call this person a troll, if they are trolling they are still making a good point in this comment.
Think of it, of the thousands and thousands of flights every day, are there avg more private flights that crash/malfunction or commercial? I’d bet money on the answer before even looking it up.
i don’t think it stands in this case, per my last comment. as a general sentiment, maybe, but not here.
even if it did, the comment is still in bad taste
How is it in bad taste to speak about ways to save lives and prevent events like this? It’s literally people’s jobs to figure this stuff out when these kinds of tragedies happen. And it’s a good thing to prevent these kinds of things. And what does? Regulation.
your comment wasn’t. the original comment was
you’re so fucking good at reading. I bet you can always find what you’re looking for.
30,000 feet per second = Mach 27
I don’t think that’s correct…
No, we just passed October 27
lol
Per minute not per second.
Perchance
Boy oh boy did I ever make the mistake of reading Facebook comments about this tragedy. People are actually out there theorizing it was a missile.
I know this may come off as morbid curiosity but what happens to the bodies in such a scenario? Are they vaporized with no possibility of retrieving them? Are there remains ? And if so, do they simply incinerate the rest before the funerals ?
RIP to all the passengers and pilots, really a heartbreaking tragedy i wish i didnt see today.
Pretty much pulverized through sheer kinetic force. Throw in the fireball afterwards and there likely aren’t any remains to be retrieved. If there are, the pieces are extremely small.
If it is any mercy at all, the process was so fast that their minds never had a chance to process the pain of the impact. Just an extreme closeup of the ground and then… nothing.
This is why I like that we can edit titles.
Wow… I saw the hole in the ground. Very impressive. I kind of not want to ride anything that ends with a large hole in the ground.
well if you ever get rich enough to fly in small aircraft make sure your pukot knows its ok to delay for weather
If it was travelling at a velocity of 30,000 feet per second it would have been vaporized by atmospheric heating. That’s substantially faster than asteroids collide at. That works out app 20,454 mph
Honestly, i felt the audio wasn’t as bad as so many people are claiming it to be. Like yes its bad, but after seeing watching so much of palestine footage, its… not that bad. They suffered for like 30 seconds, and then peace.
If you listen to hind rajab’s audio, that thing is super devastating. Like imagine being 5 with your parents dead in the car with you, trying to explain to paramedics, imagine what those paramedics must have felt in that moment. All the agony, all the struggle. Like what thoughts did hind have while waiting for paramedics to arrive?
I think the reason this flight audio feels so scary to western audience is because, so many people have flown, and “it could be any of us”, whereas hind rajab and other palestinians live in a “war torn” country. Like it happens all the time over there anyways.
Why so divisive?
Nice whataboutism.
It’s called a comparison.
A whataboutism is a comparison, yeah. It’s just jarring to me for someone to say “oh you think this recent recording of someone who’s about to die in a non-political situation is bad? What about the recording from months ago in Palestine?!?”
Most whataboutisms are done unintentionally, but they’re worth calling out.
No. A whataboutism is also rhetorical fallacy, that is just a comparison. They’re not arguing that plane crashes don’t matter because Palestine, they are specifically comparing levels of horror and stating that one is less.
Comparing levels of horror, yes, but to be a whataboutism you have to ask the question “why are they comparing it”. They want to bring attention somewhere else. Either away from the fact that they don’t have feelings about it even though other people do, or to bring attention towards something else that they’re passionate about. The latter is what prompts me to label it as whataboutism. Their profile is a mix of tech and politics so there’s precedent for their comment.
Why else would they bother commenting here if not to draw attention to something political? It’s like going to a funeral and saying “I don’t know, sure it’s sad but since I’m aware of the genocide going on, it’s not that sad”.
Part of a whataboutism is discrediting the initial claim. The comment in question explicitly reinforces the initial claim before adding a subjective opinion on which feels more severe.
Its not a whataboutism to say: “Both are bad but x feels worse to me”. That’s simply subjective opinion.
I think you’re a bit too trigger-happy with the label.
Maybe we’re reading different things. I’ll paste their comment below, removing all of the “what about”. All that’s left is discrediting people who feel bad listening to the audio.
Honestly, i felt the audio wasn’t as bad as so many people are claiming it to be. Like yes its bad, but… not that bad. They suffered for like 30 seconds, and then peace.
Then they go on with the “what about the genocide stuff”
They’re communicating that they’ve been desensitized to a high degree because of the brutality of the genocide, that this feels pale in comparison.
I agree. I heard the audio on the news site, it had a warning which is fine, but wasn’t that bad. An adult knew she’s going to die and communicated it in a rather calm manner, it was quick, you didn’t hear anything but her voice, and wouldn’t know what happened or when relative to what she said.
I googled Learjet just to get more details on the plane, and the first thing I hit was a reddit post which had a supposed pilot explaining their experience, but the mod was in there banning people for posting the audio, with a pinned comment explaining that, and describing it as extreme gore and nsfl. It’s not that bad.
Did the video of the plane crashing horrify you?
A few years ago, it would have been horrifying. After watching children’s brains spilling out of their heads for over a year, it’s just an accident like any other, it triggers nothing emotionally.
What about absolutism?
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