• velma@sh.itjust.works
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    6 hours ago

    Weaponized incompetence and choosing to ignore the mental load of running a family can go die off already.

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      3 hours ago

      I don’t have kids but my wife is just far better at knowing what people would like as presents. I think its dumb to not know what your partner is getting someone but I’m rather insulted that you’d take this to mean it’s offloading running a family and weaponised incompetence. You’re making a LOT of assumptions

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        3 hours ago

        My statement stands on its own regardless. This meme has been around for a long time and is a tired trope about one parent allowing the other to create the holiday magic while still taking credit.

        You even agree with me to an extent, but wanted to jump on the bandwagon here.

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          3 hours ago

          Hmm, actually I think you’re right and I retract my other comment. It seriously doesn’t take much effort to talk to your partner about what they got your children so it is stupid to not know. Do people not speak to the person they love and live with? I think I got hung up on assuming you were saying it’s wrong for one person to be the gift buyer but on a re-read that’s not what you’re saying at all

    • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
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      5 hours ago

      This is such a bizarre thing to get upset about. If the dad works full time, possibly doing overtime as well, and mom stays at home, who has time to do the Christmas shopping?

      I’m sure dad is taking on plenty of “mental load” at work.

      • velma@sh.itjust.works
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        5 hours ago

        I’m sure dad is taking on plenty of “mental load” at work.

        I’m sure his kids will appreciate their dad putting so much of his time and effort into work and not them.

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          5 hours ago

          Gee dad, you spend your time making money so we can eat and have a place to live. I wish you didn’t do so much of that.

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            4 hours ago

            Are we back in the 50s now? We’re glorifying out of touch fathers who prioritize work over their families?

            Y’all hate me so much you’re defending parents who can’t even bother to select a gift for their child for the holidays lol

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              3 hours ago

              As a dad who is sitting in the lobby of a rec center, after pulling cable for 8 hours, you a sucker for this one Velma.

              • velma@sh.itjust.works
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                3 hours ago

                Do you ignore your children and think that their mother should be the only one tending to them?

                If you’re not, then I’m not talking about fathers like you with that comment. My comment was not saying fathers who work are bad - it’s parents who prioritize their work over their children that is old-fashioned and not good for children. Children benefit from having both their parents care about them during their off hours.

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      5 hours ago

      It’s possible that dad stayed home with the kids while mom bought the gifts and wrapped them. Not everything is that serious

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      5 hours ago

      It could be a healthy relationship, if they agreed to have the husband do the dayjob and the wife runs the family. It would still be a gift from mom & dad, because both contributed with their roles.

      But of course, I do agree with your general statement.

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        5 hours ago

        the husband do the dayjob and the wife runs the family.

        The children suffer in these situations.

        But I get your point. Thanks.

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          4 hours ago

          You know what other situation the children suffer in? When the dad works a full job, and looks after the kids before and after doing the day job, and all weekend too.

          Stop jumping to the most misandrist conclusion every time, human relationships are complicated and gender roles, politics, responsibilities and advantages & disadvantages vary a lot from region to region and family to family.

          I invite you to actually do something to help men who are disadvantaged and are crumbling under the pressures of modern life on international men’s day.

          Reach across the gender divide and give a hand.

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              4 hours ago

              No. I’m not taking this one. In this context you are being a misandrist. And you’re talking like you know what it takes to raise kids.

              I’m going to ask you a question, and be honest. How many children are you the primary caregiver of? I’m the primary caregiver of ONE and it is more than enough. If you’re slinging all the words you’ve been slinging in this thread, you better be a primary caregiver, or you should butt out of discussions about how to run a family.

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                4 hours ago

                In this context you are being a misandrist.

                Where?

                And you’re talking like you know what it takes to raise kids.

                Yeah, I’m a parent.

                I am the primary caregiver.

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                  4 hours ago

                  OK. So are you in a situation where the entirety of your time is either looking after kids, putting money on the table to house, feed and clothe the kids, and spare time largely dominated by work related activities so you can keep your job so you can provide for the family?

                  Sometimes, the father has to do ALL that, and doesn’t have the time or taste to be able to pick out appropriate gifts for various people. “It’s from both of us” means the labour of the gift was spread in the family unit.

                  You must be in a very privileged situation to be able to spew out the stuff you talked about in this thread.

                  In this context you are being a misandrist.

                  Where?

                  Well, the meme is about dads. Your comment chain started of with an accusation that is largely wielded to men. Your entire post history is gender wars. It’s not quite a leap to say you are a misandrist.

                  Switch the genders and gender roles.

                  My favourite part of a gift from mom & dad is that mom is always surprised at how long dad had to work for us to be able to buy this gift

                  and then a man comes in and says

                  Yeah, worthless bimbos are good for nothing and don’t know the value of a dollar.

                  It could be a himbo. It’s not misogynist.

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      5 hours ago

      I tended to be surprised because my wife bought expensive gifts while excluding me for pushing back on how much was being spent.

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            5 hours ago

            I don’t find it cute when parents or spouses allow their partner to shoulder the mental load. The meme about dad being surprised about what gifts his children get for Christmas isn’t feel good.

            I’m aware that some people are going to assume my original comment is gendered when it’s not.