shat is part of the problem, outspoken anti-trans
He’s such a straight white cis man! (Apparently that’s a slur to him.)
How dare you use the Star Wars term!
I’m not defending him, but let’s be honest with ourselves here. He was born nearly a decade before World War II. It’s amazing that he’s this progressive. Credit where credit is due.
He is.
Doesn’t mean we can’t take him out of context and use his words to advocate for more than just the things he thinks they advocate.
He has it right here. That he doesn’t fully know that is his problem.
“When did Star Trek get so woke?” — My idiot former boss.
Only 37 years to go.
Back in 1965.
I believe it was also an old Shatner tweet (well, if memory serves, he technically asked when it got political) Surprised to see this shift from him. It’s a welcome one but I’m still not sure if I should trust this.
Startrek XXX… I had a different joke in mind but now I just want Startrek 10 the movie staring Vin Diesel 😎
Pretty sure that was just Star Trek Beyond, the movie where the crew defeated a horde of ravenous space insects by blasting Beastie Boys hit single “Sabotage”.
Star Trek X was Nemesis, but who’s counting?
spoiler
Never mind; I just checked the release dates: the 10th Star Trek movie was actually Galaxy Quest.
My biggest complaint about academy is the same as everyone, poor writing. But since everyone also wants to bring up the ‘woke’ panic as well being why it’s so bad, I disagree. It isn’t the package that is bad, it’s the packaging.
Don’t give ‘the Gay™ character’. Give me a good character who is gay.
Why are you forcing me to care about a character because they are gay? What a wasted opportunity. You had a not so subtle anti-archetype klingon who had the heavy handed writing of being into science, medicine, and openly gay and intentionally written to be anything a klingon is not. What shitty writing. They had all the opportunities to make me love the character for who they were, their personality, their true choices and internal struggles, and make me care about them as a whole person that happened to be gay because that is who they are. Make me love their choices about being gay, not tell me I should love them because they are gay.
More than that, the previous iterations of trek they knew how to do it right. Most people bring up DS9 because it was done so well. We loved the characters for who they were, and who they were happened to be gay. Academy told us to love them because they were gay, and just happened to also be a character.
Isn’t shatner maga scum?
Edit: apparently not. Who the hell was I thinking of?
Possibly lt broccoli
You are also thinking of Shatner lol but his ego makes everything confusing.
I think (but don’t remember specific instances) Shatner is conservative leaning but I guess the canadian perspective makes him very different to MAGA.
You are probably thinking of Robert Beltran? he went open about MAGA shit on twitter shortly after jan 6 IIRC.
That makes sense of it. It was years ago, and my memory was diluted by my contemporaneous stress. Thank you for making me feel a little saner.
Nah, he’s a good Canadian.
Okay, he’s rich, out of touch, and a total dick to his coworkers. But I’ve never seen him express any particularly bad political views.
The thing was in TOS that kiss, in-universe, was no biggie. In DS9 with all the gender and sexuality shifts in the Trill scenario, it again just ‘was’. When it was a big deal, it was some alien culture being backwards and the Federation being an example of doing it right.
STD was oddly self-congratulatory. “First ever non-binary character in trek!” they proclaim as people were able to respond with just so many examples of previous non-binary characters. The character despite being a human, being on Earth, had to make a big deal of “coming out” and a big outpouring of support in-universe to balance out the trepidation of coming out. Which should have just been a very mundane scenario, you want the character to be non-binary, fine, they are, people will be respectful but it will be a boring mundane fact rather than some big deal.
Yes, there are those that are flipping out over too much representation that are done consistently with star trek. Probably the most fair point was that someone probably wouldn’t be out of shape, but by that logic, Picard shouldn’t have been bald, so…
lmao did they really? didn’t riker bang a non-binary alien (or try to at least)?
Actually, as I recall the entire society was ‘non-binary’ and that specific alien wanted to come out as female. And of course Riker banging was a green light after she declared herself female. Probably not the best choice to have Riker banging her as part of the narrative, but yeah, that was famously an example of them trying to address a point by inverting real-world, the ‘norm’ is non-binary and the ‘unusual’ one is gendered and the Federation serves as the model of ‘we respect your people either way, you should too’.
That’s right, the entire species had evolved past having gender. That makes it even sadder/funnier that ST:D tried to claim it.
Is where they officially declared that Trek was doing a non-binary character for the first time.
The Star Trek universe’s first non-binary character
wow, not even the first crew members or first actors, they tried to claim it for the whole Star Trek universe. unbelievable. I think Dax would like to have a word with them.
It… insists upon itself?
From what I’ve heard, Shatner is normally pretty right-wing about issues. Maybe fiscally, but not socially. Maybe I’m misremembering, or conflating his character on Boston Legal.
I guess it shows people can be complex.
He’s been critical of Trump and I’m pretty sure he defines himself as apolitical. I’m not sure where you’re finding that he’s right wing, but I’m open to being proven wrong.
Upon further research, he seems hard-core apolitical.
I must have assumed he was like his character that he played on Boston Legal - who was clownishly right-wing.
Sorry about that improper assumption, and thanks for calling me out on it!
I appreciate you vibe checking Shatner anyway. I learned
Anybody who calls themselves apolitical doesn’t recognize how much politics affects us, and in my book, thay makes you kinda dumb.
Eh, being apolitical doesn’t mean you’re unaware of how much politics affects us. It just means it’s not a subject you’re interested in, which is perfectly acceptable.
having no interest in politics is only for the extremely priveleged, so they’re either dumb or theyre assholes
He can be apolitical in public, and I wish more idiot celebrities would be. You and I don’t need to know his politics. It doesn’t help anything in the grand scheme of things.
and also, the guy is almost 100 years old now. Any person that old with progressive views and stances is very uncommon in my book. At least the ones from now, maybe it will change when it is our turn.
He was the commencement speaker at my college graduation and he talked about how society was destroying the planet. It was a real downer message but at least it wasnt maga talking points
Exactly. Star Trek takes place in utopia - and the creators’ version of utopia is one with equality, freedom, and respect for all. If someone’s version of utopia doesn’t align with this, I think that says a lot more about them than it does about how “woke” Star Trek is
i think what got thier panties in a wad was STD, because it had a certain demographic playing lead roles over men. then it became DOCTOR WHO, whittaker and then ncuti(but him mostly), why because a certain election was under way that year, while STD was in thier 1st/2nd season, and it annoyed the hell of cons with all the women in the lead roles and then they started attacking every trek video they see. Janeway wasnt SPARED TOO but that took years for them to use mental gymanstics.
Their utopia also highly resembles communism as a classless, stateless society
Yeah, and it shows how hard it is to build a utopia even when intentionally trying to remove class, when oligarchies are motivated to prevent that, and in a post-scarcity reality, which we don’t yet have.
I wouldn’t say woke is against norms, rather against traditionalism. Traditionalism itself is often abnormal, even within its own culture.
“You said ‘class warfare’ twice.”
“He likes class warfare.”
Hey see - that wonderful thing in the past is similar in some way to the dogshit we produce now. Therfore the problem is you!
The gender episode was so ahead of its time. It introduced some ideas that I didn’t even know there were concepts for.
the gender ran across 4 series. DS9 had jadzia(other host) preferred women and shes a women still with those feelings, and another where a female dominant race from the gamma quadrant fled DS9 through the wormhomle, and a similar one on enterprise show(where the explosion disaster caused by the suliban), Genderless insectoid Xindi.
Nutrek through kurtzman isnt very good and not very subtle with exposing mysogyny/genderphobia .
It’s a silver lining to see Shatner using his platform for the greater good.
Yeah, I always thought he was kind of a douche, but I guess his heart is in the right place.
I think Shatner is complicated because (a) he’s 95 years old, and can’t be expected to be fully “in touch,” and (b) has definitely had some questionable people handling his social media over the years.
true, and he went with BEZOs into space as a tourist and became disappointed after, only for bezos to laugh for no reason after spraying him with ALCOHOL.
I just had to double check and holy crap I did not realise he is 95!
just, don’t ask him how many horses he owns
Yeah, it’s shatner so
youone expects him to be crass, andyouone forgets he was the first star trek captain. and agreed with the ideas being shown on screen (unlike, IDK, Barclay’s actor)Huh? What’s up with Barclay’s actor?
Right wing propaganda guy. Dwight Sclutz
Boy, do I wish I hadn’t read this comment. This makes me sad to know.
What really gets to me is that he’s fucking Mung Daal in Chowder, whose actor is was a literal kid. God knows what kind of poison lies he fed that boy. I really liked him in chowder too.
No more! I had no idea of that, either! I friggin loved that show! I am now double depressed. I wish to know no more!
@Skullgrid @Maestro Never meet your heroes.
Sooo many of them too. I just can’t rewatch Hercules or Lois & Clark.
I’ve actually done pretty good meeting my heroes, they’re mostly down to earth types.
That speaks as much to your excellent choices in hero’s as to the hero’s themselves 🙂👍
Aw man v.v
fits, hes always a wierdo that needs a psychological help in the show, probably a wierdo in real lfie. he played the same wierdo character on sg1, 1st season i believe as the “virtual reality guy”
Jeffrey Hunter was the first Star Trek captain.
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t realise the starring role of the TOS series , Captain Kirk was played by Jeffrey Hunter. How many episodes was he in?
Captain Christopher Pike was played by Jeffery Hunter in the first Star Trek series, but was only in the pilot or something before Shatner took the reins. If you were sincerely asking.
The first pilot that wasn’t aired. It’s what got turned into the Talos IV episode with Pike, they used that footage for his “dream” life
If you were sincerely asking.
not really. When people are thinking about their favourite captain, especially before the revival, Jeff was never in the running. Hell, Bakalar is barely in the running.
I agree. It’s one of those nerd pedantic facts that people throw out.
Yeah. I wish people like him, sulu, and stephen king would abandon it already though.
Looking at the downvotes, I don’t think anybody realized you meant “abandon Xitter,” not “abandon using their platform for the greater good.”
Lol! That’s too bad
I recently learned that Shatner and Takei don’t actually use social media and all the posts you see from them are just some employees that were instructed to speak in their style.
It’s possible on a regular basis.
However, as with other high profile accounts, one expects that messages that are high profile would be cleared with the person under whose name the official account is made.
Not at all. Chapelle told that joke about hearing that “his” “official” Twitter account was having beef with Kat Williams’ “official” account. During one show when both of them were in the audience, he went over to Kat and told him the situation - to which Kat replied, “wtf is Twitter?”
These days it seems like most things getting called “woke DEI crap” are totally in line with the norms of society, but someone wants to change that.
I never thought of it like that. Fuck, that’s depressing.
99% of what you hear people like that accuse others of is pure protection. They’re telling you what they want to do without realizing it, so “woke agenda trying to brainwash our kids!” could be translated into “we want to brainwash kids toward our ideology.”
I remember a coworker saying something about trans people and how we can’t say anything anymore because it all has to be about them or something. I never got the impression she was bigoted. It seemed completely out of character. I said something like (they just want equal rights and the same respect as you and I. What’s the issue?) Maybe worry more about weather or not you’re kids are learning the life skills they need to survive and less about weather or not your kids see two dudes kissing in a movie. Mom and dad need to untighten their buttholes. Even if I don’t understand something, I try to be empathetic and understanding to those who are different from me. I wish everyone else did.
Pretty sure “woke DEI crap” is universally understood as pandering. And everyone is pissed at stories being written specifically to scream woke crap at you instead of just incorporating diversity in, as it fits the story itself, and moving on with a good show.
Yeah, loopy religious people who want to take society back to the middle ages.
it applied to all SCI fi show both pre-STD(DISCOVERY) thats what really got thier panties in a wad, when kurtzman made all the women have lead roles.SG1 wasnt spared either, as recently Invincible was called woke, just because the female general in coalition took command of the ship (the planet of ragnarrs) to refreeze the beasts.
there was definitely a concerted effort around 2020(thats when woke became super prominent in comments of shows like star trek) around election time to illicit more voters to side with conservatives through propaganda.
Invincible was called woke, just because the female general in coalition took command of the ship
And don’t forget, Mark first GF is now black! The horror!
i was going to mentioned that, since they race swapped her. sandman was another example of race and gender swapping people, Death was suppose to be a goth white chick, and LUCIFER was gwendoline instead of a blond white guy. they alway attribute terrible writing to DEI/WOKENESS
the moment maga calls something woke… I embrace that game/tvshow/movie/book. they all turn out to be pretty good (other than a few gacha games)
Its how I pick media these days too. Now that SFA is over, what are we watching?
Please don’t make me get a Truth Social account to mine for our viewing list.
Sometimes they’re accidentally right about something sucking, but always for a different reason than culture war BS. Ghostbusters 2016, for example.
I disagree, Ghostbusters: Answer the Call received way more hate than it deserved. I really enjoyed it and I have rewatched it a bunch of times, more than I’ve rewatched Ghostbusters 2. Holtzman is my favorite character and I love the goofy dance she does with Abby. And I love Chris Hemsworth’s character, he does big dumb handsome guy really well.
It was way better than the last 2. I watched Afterlife once and I have no interest in watching Frozen Throne at all.
My only issue with that movie was the timing of a few jokes (they made them longer than they should so they stopped being fun) and that the trailer spoiled half of the jokes. The movie itself is cool.
The newest ones? their only redeeming quality for me is Egon’s granddaughter. The kid is really good. Everything else is just the dumbest nostalgia bait ever (even having the mom’s boyfriend a literal stand in for the kind of fan the movies pander to).
I can see where some of the jokes drag on a bit, but I’m personally ok with that. I’ve rewatched it a bunch of times when I use the elliptical or stationary bike at the gym. I feel like the extra laughs give my abs a workout 🤷♀️ lol. I laugh my ass off at “The power of Patty compels you!!” and “Is it more or less disgusting if I tell you it came out the front?” every single time. I adore Holtzman so much.
For me, the new ones don’t have a redeeming quality, that’s not the kid actors faults though. Afterlife came out when we still weren’t going to theaters because of COVID. I was very excited for it and I bought it at full price the day it came out on iTunes. I watched it that night and the first thing I remember saying after it was over was “what the fuck was that shit?” All that nostalgia baiting cash grabbing was gross. And the CGI Egon at the end made me feel sick to my stomach, it felt disrespectful to Harold Ramis. I can’t even bring myself to be interested in Frozen Empire.
I often see people complain that a franchise “forgot” what they are supposed to be about and IMO, that is exactly what happened with ATC and FE. They completely forgot that GB is a raunchy horror comedy and made a family friendly coming of age “scary” movie. It’s an entirely different genre.
Holy fuck, how many of the things have they made? Jurassic fucking Park over here lol.
JP series with chris pratt is also bad, but i dont see conservative complaining about that, oh becauses the one as the lead, and not someone J Lawrence. i bet they love him even more now that he identifies as a far right christian.
I’m with you. 2016 may not compare to the original, but it was a solid comedy with a good heart. The bloody meltdown parts of the internet had over it was insane.
Meh. Leslie Jones’s character was the laziest “sassy black woman” stereotype I’ve ever seen. Whoever wrote that drivel isn’t fit to work on a 3rd rate sketch comedy show let alone a big budget Hollywood movie.
i noticed that to, STD was one, the show sucked bad. they almost are selfaware, they said terrible writing but then said it is due to wokeness and having women in the show. SG1 was an oddball it got called woke/lib by both tankies and conservatives. right about lucifer in sandman being casted by gwendoline, shouldve been the way in mythology and comics. but comes up with wokeness as the reason.
don’t remind me of that abomination. that 2016 movie doesn’t exist. erase it from my memories.
Yeah, that movie was so ass. My perfect summation of it. We rented it, my daughter picked it out. Like ten minutes in, she says something like, “This is so terrible, I am going to my room.”
Now, normally, she will just ignore whayever is on and play on her phone or whatever and ignore it, this, she actively wanted to flee from.
It was actually impressive just how bad it was. It’s like they were trying to make it unbearable to watch. The fact that it carried the name of an all-time classic made it so much worse.
I was reading your comments thinking, it wasn’t that bad guys. One quick google search revealed I was thinking about the 2021 movie and had completely blocked all memory of the 2016 one. You’re spot on, it was atrocious!
There have been a few examples I can think of where they’ve called something woke and it was legit pretty mid or outright bad. But usually that’s down to it being a game by committee by people who only interact with marvel level writing, like Dragon Age: Veilguard which is just shit or Mass Effect: Andromeda which honestly just kinda mid.
They’re trying hard to change it. Almost like they have a playbook of some kind…
I did Nazi that coming
In the early iterations of the 1960s smash hit Star Trek, audiences were shocked and titillated to see a white male officer in a romantic relationship with a black woman officer.
This continues to be shocking today, as modern audiences are not ready to see any (fully clothed) woman in any form of Sci-Fi media doing anything at all.
I guess i’m in the minority of people who thought Janeway was the best starship captain as a kid. She’s badass and she drinks coffee.
I agree, I love Picard don’t get me wrong but Janeway was always my favourite, she kicks ass and is just fucking cool
With you 100% on that. I love Picard, but it’s Janeway I’d trust to get me through the delta quadrant.
modern audiences are not ready to see any (fully clothed) woman in any form of Sci-Fi
What? Pluribus was the biggest new Sci Fi TV show last year, was liked by critics and audiences, and won a bunch of awards.
Same with Silo and Foundation. This is like “reverse racism” but sexism instead.
The science fiction and adventure part of the show is absolute garbage. If it has been good, people would be able to have their cookie while being lectured to about what they should believe.
I didn’t personally care for it but I realized it wasn’t exactly for me so whatevs, just because there is a show in same universe as the other imaginary space shows I watch that I don’t like I realize I can just watch something else because I’m an adult (surely lol). It’s a damn shame scifi is full of such small minded persons, I certainly know scifi fandom has had a lot of problems in the past but things seemed to be improving, though I suspect this is more of a loud minority situation, unfortunately the loud minority are billionaires.
I’m of the unpopular Opinion that SNW was @ boring rehash of anything I could get from any other show that already exists, and Academy was something fresh. All these irate chickenshits would love SFA if it just had the serial numbers filed off, except that “its woke” because it acknowledges that people just fucking exist.
But hey, can’t jeopardize the popularity of a thing that’s someone else’s “property,” not even if that’s what it takes to live up to the actual legacy of the Original. Just leaving it to the community would actually let us make something beautiful, as we have done before, so that can’t be allowed.
I guess we’re just gonna get more Original Series fanfic that lands hollow for me, maybe a hunting-terrorists spy flick, and another mindless cash-grab movie whose screenplay will probably be mostly written by AI.
No more moral questions, no more interesting discussions of what an identity means, no more of what makes science fiction worthwhile as a genre - we have ships to explode - IN SPACE!!!1!!
Prodigy, a show written for literal children will be more interesting a topical exploration than a Larry Ellison property.
i dont think SNW was that good, the acting is too wooden, and some of the endings in seasons were like"is that it"? prodigy and lower decks were way better. With ellision in control of trek IP, fans that are usually “left” leaning, how are they going to justify watching and supporting someone like ellison.
What a muddy comment. Took me two reads to try to figure out the argument therein, after which I stopped.
Lol “muddy” about sums it up
