• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 days ago

    Yeah, I don’t get this.

    In John, there’s a wedding and the planners forgot to bring the booze, so Jesus tells some dudes to fill a bunch of casks with water, and then poof kablamo, they are made into wine via the power of Jesus being irritated.

    There’s certainly a lot of imagery and focus on the blood of Jesus in the Bible… but the whole transsubstantiation/consubstantiation thing is about … the reverse of this, wine either transforming into, or metaphorically representing the blood of Christ.

    I am… not aware of any part of the Bible nor sect/branch/denomination/church that teaches that Jesus at any point turns his blood into wine.

    I don’t think that even happens in any of the ‘expanded universe’ / Gnostic texts.

    In summary:

    Wine -> Blood? Yes*.

    Water -> Wine? Yes.

    Blood -> Wine? No.

    • ZombieChicken@reddthat.com
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      3 days ago

      During the blessing at Mass, the priest says “…this is my blood…”, quoting Christ at the Last Supper. when blessing the wine. You are overthinking it. I think the joke is that Jesus’s blood is wine.

    • YesIAmHoomanNoCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      3 days ago

      Some Christians (at least roman-catholic) celebrate communion, consuming ‘bread’ and wine that has been blessed. According to them the bread and wine literally become body and blood of Christ. That’s the joke of the comic :)

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 days ago

        Yes but that’s backwards of what the comic is representing.

        As I said… I don’t think any kind of Christian believes that Jesus’ blood ever turns into wine.

        That doesn’t happen anywhere in the text.

        So… the joke is… based off of a thing that doesn’t happen?

        It would be like making a joke based off the idea that Moses can summon floods.

        He can’t. He’s never shown to be able to do that, he’s shown to be a water bender who can move water out of the way, but not generate it.

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          doesn’t happen anywhere in the text.

          Religion is more than just the book. Catholics literally believe that the wine at mass is literally Jesus’ blood. This is a joke about them. Not about the book that their specific flavor of whatever is based on.

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            3 days ago

            The wine turns into Jesus’s blood when the priest blesses it.

            This comic is the complete opposite of that.

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              I can’t believe I’m arguing this…

              In the comic, Jesus isn’t turning his blood into wine. He’s simply tapping the vein.

              Jesus’ blood is naturally alcoholic. We know this because the transubstantiation turns the wine at mass into Jesus’ blood, and THAT blood is alcoholic. The fact that the wine was originally alcoholic is completely unrelated. The priests could transubstantiate water into Jesus’ blood, and it’d still be alcoholic.

              That’s assuming you actually believe in transubstantiation.

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                There are people who celebrate Eucharist with grape juice and it doesn’t turn alcoholic. It’s not that transubstantiation makes it alcoholic.

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                    3 days ago

                    It’s the blessing that matters, not the contents of the cup. In transubstantiation the outward characteristics don’t change.

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            3 days ago

            The literally believe the blessing of the Eucharist turns the wine into the blood of their nailed god.

            Not that the blood of Christ turns into wine.

            Hope this helps.

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                    1 day ago

                    No where does anyone ever say Jesus’a blood has alcohol in it, except this comic which doesn’t follow any religion. This is a misconstrued line of thinking that only you and OP seem to be stuck on.

                    Many catholic churches will use whatever liquid is available, it does not, and never had to be wine.

          • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            3 days ago

            Look, I’m not Catholic or any kind of Christian, but…

            Catholics do not believe that Jesus’ blood turns into wine.

            So… acting like they do… is just trolling, basically.

            Its not a joke, because it doesn’t stem from a thing that someone actually believes.

            It is simply asserting that someone believes a thing they do not… which is trolling.

            There are a vast plethora of ludicrous things that varying kinds of Christians believe are literally true, that you could make an actual joke out of.