• toomanypancakes@piefed.world
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    9 days ago

    I don’t think it’s necessarily wrong, but I’d be concerned about the power dynamics involved with such an age gap.

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        9 days ago

        It’s not so much “Yucking someones yum” so much as “I think such a large age gap is going to be a big strain on this relationship. But if you wanna… fine.” Like, one of these people was born around when 9-11 occurred and the other was born around the time when Pac-Man was the new hot game in arcades and these “CD” things were starting to catch on for music storage. That’s quite a generational gap.

        However, they’re both old enough to both know the what they’re doing… and maybe it will all work out. Thus my “They’re both old enough to know better” comment. Maybe they’re star crossed lovers and it will all work out… but in the end, it’s a case of “Not my circus, not my monkeys”.

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          9 days ago

          apologies for pedantry, but if they’re star-crossed it won’t work out by definition

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            9 days ago

            TIL that I’ve been using “star crossed lovers” wrong my entire life. I thought it meant fated lovers.

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    9 days ago

    Assuming both are consenting adults that actually love and care for each other, okay by me. 👍❤️

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    9 days ago

    People in different stages of life like that generally don’t have a ton to relate on. Can it work? Sure. Does it usually work long term? Nah

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    Dating fine, but if going for a long term commitment, it may be rough to be in your 60s with a partner in their 80s. They have to understand if they are theoretically on that path and that their relationship will transform into elder care at some point. Also before that the older one will stop keeping up sexually.

    If both see it as a short term fling, probably ok. The 46 year can probably keep up with a 25 year old in the ways that matter, and may have enough money for some interesting experiences to share.

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        9 days ago

        He is a known quantity and it seemed to me that he had mellowed a bit compared to some things he’s posted before but wtf do I know.

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          9 days ago

          I didn’t go to the 2nd page befor, now I did. It gets weirder. This one caught my eye:

          How do left-leaning—or not even left-leaning, but pro-choice, pro-life people who don’t care about fornication—who are also Catholics and Christians justify their religion?

          And they never interact with their own posts, which really makes me hate them.

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    9 days ago

    A bit of a rough one, but I’d say it’s passed the point of concern. IE I tend to view it in life stages. 25-46 is IMO a lot less creepy than say, 20 dating 30. In spite of the gap being halved. Graduating college is a big step, getting started in a career.

    Once you are in a career path, life doesn’t really change all that much. age differences don’t matter so much anymore provided both are past all the big shifts.

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    9 days ago

    At 25, you are old enough to take care of yourself and make decisions in your own best interest. Will it be perfect? Not necessarily, but you’re allowed to make mistakes in life.

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    9 days ago

    Two friends of mine are in a similar age difference range. One of the happiest couples I know. She is the younger one and a very beautiful person, but it’s not a sugar daddy relationship (they both have basically the same job). I think she also initiated this and is even more deeply into it than him.

    Hope that helps

  • queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    9 days ago

    When I was 25, I would have said “of course it’s not a problem, they’re both adults. As long as they’re happy it’s fine.” and that is true, but now that I’m closer to 46 I have some additional caveats around “as long as they’re happy”.

    You know how in order to really develop a skill, you have to do it for a long time? I think relationships are like that. If I were to compare it to chess, this scenario is kind of like someone who’s been playing chess competitively for 20 years playing against someone playing their first major tournament. It doesn’t mean that the more experienced player is guaranteed to win, or even that they’re better at chess, but it does confer some advantage because playing in a tournament is very different from playing chess casually or in clubs. There’s money at stake, your reputation is on the line, people may be watching you play and commentating in real time. It’s just a different activity altogether, even though it is still technically “just playing chess”. It really helps to get a few tournaments under your belt to get comfortable with the nerves, the additional tournament rules, publicly making a really stupid error, etc. If it’s your first time you might make some rookie errors. That’s part of being a rookie.

    Where the analogy breaks down is that with chess, there is a brief competition with clear rules and referees, and there is (almost) always a clear outcome: win, lose, or draw. With relationships, A) it’s supposed to be cooperative, not a competition, and B) if your relationship partner is skilled at manipulation, you could be in a losing position for a long time and not know it, because you haven’t had the time to develop the skills necessary to identify what a dysfunctional adult relationship looks like.

    This doesn’t mean that a relationship with a small age gap can’t be toxic, or that relationships with a large age gap can’t be healthy and happy.

    But

    I have observed a pattern of older people (usually, but not exclusively, men) who serially date young adults because those young people don’t recognize the signs of a toxic relationship. These are rookie errors, and there is no shame in them. Everyone that does anything new has a rookie period, and this includes adult relationships. These older people take advantage of that naivete instead of working on themselves to become the kind of partner that people want to stay with after really getting to know them. As soon as these young partners begin to understand these problems and challenge them, they end the relationship and trade them out for a younger model. You can be unhappy in a toxic relationship for a long time and be unable to identify why you are so unhappy, because they know the tricks. Undercut your partner’s relationships with their other friends or family, accuse them of not being smart enough or loving enough or patient enough, make them financially dependent on you. There are a lot of tricks, and people refine their techniques with each partner. And when you’ve just started having adult relationships, you are at a serious disadvantage if you wind up in a relationship like this because you just haven’t lived long enough to see firsthand how this kind of thing plays out.

    It’s not that there’s anything intrinsically wrong with it, but it does ping my danger radar. My danger radar sometimes gets false readings, but I still pay attention to it.

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    9 days ago

    People on reddit and lemmy have weird ideas about relationships ought to be.

    Provided that both people are adults then age in itself isn’t a problem.

    I mean, if a 25 year old has several 50 year old “boyfriends” who each give her a stack of pocket money each month and pay her rent and everything, more power to her right?

    The problems arise from a power imbalance. If an older guy has manipulated a younger woman into getting trapped in a shit relationship then that sucks but its not the age that’s the problem.

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      I largely agree that it’s not the age that’s the problem.

      The thing is that the age is a useful proxy for all sorts of things that might lead to such power imbalances.

      Including:

      • emotional/mental maturity
      • life experiences to avoid such imbalances
      • financial stability and well being

      It isn’t absolute, and context matters, but it is a useful proxy.

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        9 days ago

        Forgive me but, describing age as “a useful proxy” just sounds like shitty behavior to me. I’m not trying to say you’re a shitty person, just that your comment seems to be sane-washing prejudism.

        FWIW I agree. A 50 year old guy “dating” a 25 year old woman has an increased likelihood that a power imbalance exists. However, it’s still profiling and prejudiced and a generalisation.

        For example, domestic violence may be more prevalent among indigenous communities, but suggesting that indigenous status is “a useful proxy” for a determination that domestic violence is more likely is obviously inappropriate.

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          FWIW I agree. A 50 year old guy “dating” a 25 year old woman has an increased likelihood that a power imbalance exists. However, it’s still profiling and prejudiced and a generalization.

          It’s not prejudiced at all. a key component of something be a prejudice is that it is unfair, or is somehow unreasonable, etc, and that it is not based in fact. As you yourself noted, there is significant reason to believe such a large age gap may prove to be problematic.

          I think the technical term is ‘risk factor’, if you prefer that.

          And yes, significant age gaps are significant risk factors for a toxic relationship. it’s not the age itself, necessarily, but it increases the potential for things that are absolutely abusive, and if your doctors know about it, they’re going to be fielding more detailed questions to determine if there’s a problem. And family might be people who have something to say about it as well. That’s not inappropriate.

          And it’s not really “profiling” either. That’s an investigative tactic of collection information about a person. profiling becomes problematic with the information is their race (or something to that effect) and their race becomes the justification for extra attention.