#prodeath
Wouldn’t the proper follow up have been: ”and so did 1/3 of Europe”?
At first I attributed this to dumbfuckery but lately I’m again seeing more of these opinions but now from people who see it as an opportunity
JD Vance cheering on the Bubonic Plague.
It find not cause imaginary autism though.
I mean it did disappear without a vaccine, so it’s not technically misinformation …
(it disappeared because of antibiotics, which is technically a different thing)
Technically, it didn’t disappear at all!
“One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.”
These people would care more if they personally get hurt.
That why a rhetorical tool that personalizes death may work.
Something like “okay, your mother is now dead. And now your wife, and auntie and even your old highschool girlfriend. You watch them all die, bewildered and distraught, but you do nothing until your son dies in front of you, choking on a resporator, pleading in his eyes until the very end.”
“You can stop the rest of your family dying right now right now, right way. you can even save your own life, in a way that will also save other peoples mothers, wifes, and sons. Will you?”
Let me tell you about my mother.
Wrll, you aint gonna win them all, but sokething like the above tends to work well when people talk about how “some people” should die or go somewhere else. Bringing it back from “somebody” to “you and everyone you know” tends to shock that talk out of them.
Oh I’m just referencing blade runner.
Your story really reminds me of the Voight-Kampff test.
Its effectivly an empathy test just like voight-kampff, so I see where you’re coming from.
Capillary dilation of the so-called blush response? Fluctuation of the pupil. Involuntary dilation of the iris…
depending on the person one death could also be a party
Doesn’t have to be one, I’ve made a list
Oh I am partying once Trump keels over. Absolutely no shame admitting that.
Yeah but what has it done for you lately
Funny thing is the bubonic plague still kills people in the US every year still today, just in small numbers.
The Black Plague was truly a horror, but it DID break the back of Catholicism in Europe, so that’s nice. Every cloud has a silver lining
How so? Didn’t Luther do that a couple hundred years later?
At the time of the plague, the Catholic church dominated every state politically; they were the undisputed masters of Europe.
After the plague, they never recovered the same amount of control again. This was the start of a long decline that continues to this day.
The plague revealed how truly ineffectual and predatory the church was, even to the most ignorant.
Recommend the books The Black Death and The Dancing Plague, I’m over simplifying of course there are many other details.
So what youre saying is it was gods will for the church to decline and it was done via the plague which must have come from God if everything is part of God’s plan, which means God wanted fewer followers and eventually have none?
that continues to this day.
The US disagrees as do some theocratic states like Iran (nit-pick but i said catholic all you want, they all look the same to me).
THE GOOD NEWS The last time I looked, they’re all shrinking in membership.
Also, remember, they have always lied about their predominance, and they always will. Abrahamics have no relationship with the truth, don’t ever listen to them and their claims, believe nothing without solid evidence from another source.
Which black death book? There are many and I’d like to learn.
I’m assuming dancing plague is John Waller?
My memory fails me, here’s what I have found on my bookshelf from the last few years
The Great Mortality: An Intimate History of the Black Death, the Most Devastating Plague of All Time by Kelly
The Dancing Plague: The Strange, True Story of an Extraordinary Illness by Waller
The Black Death 1346-1353: The Complete History by Benedictow
It broke feudalism, too, and kickstarted the renaissance.
Also, the Black Plague has not been eradicated. It still exists in small mammals such as gophers and rats, and a strain could potentially mutate to humans again, although changes in human hygiene have made blood to blood infections less common.
The reason it seemed to disappear is because the more infectious and fatal strains spread to and killed off every susceptible human at a rate that could not support its propagation to new healthy humans.
It actually still exists in people too, it’s just rare and treatable.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/seriously-dont-worry-about-the-plague
It’s rare because we have higher hygiene standards. Basically washing our hands eliminated the black plague.
More like fleas and other biting insects are more rare, and people generally do not tolerate sleeping around non-pet rats. It’s more living conditions than hygene.
Got a rodent problem? Just wash your hands!
Sure would have been nice to know this when my house got invested with fleas. No need to flea bomb, I just needed to wash my hands!
(got a pup from a household with inadequate flea control measures–they’d give him a flea bath weekly, but never treated the environment or their cats. They swore up and down he didn’t have fleas.)
I take it you just have the pup, so this tip might be for any cat owners passing by:
I’ve found to treat cats for fleas the best method is a flea comb and a tub of very bubbly soapy water.
The cat doesn’t go in the water, instead you sit the cat on your lap, comb it’s fur gently with the flea comb, and when you spot a flea on the comb, you dunk it in the bubbly soapy water.
…the slimey soapy bubbles capture the fleas, and make it a lot harder for them to escape. Turns a traumatic soggy moggy time, into a nice gentle combing kill session.
Basically washing our hands eliminated the black plague.
That’s not how it was spread, not really. It was spread by fleas and other blood to blood contact if the person had the bubonic plague and, in later stages, through the air in close contact via infectious respiratory droplets if the person had the pneumonic plague.
My comment was an over simplification. By having higher hygiene standards we reduced our contact with rats and other things that can carry it. It is essentially “We did A, which caused B through G, which lead to less of H.”
Your comment was partially incorrect. I corrected you. While it was a matter of hygiene, washing hands had little to nothing to do with it. You didn’t mention anything about rats or the fleas they carried, which were the primary carrier of the bubonic plague
I implore you to understand what an over simplification statement mean in regard to a multi step process that took centuries of understanding what to do and not to do. What conditions are considered acceptable now vs 700 years ago and so on.
I understand what “oversimplification” means. You do not seem to understand what “incorrect“ means.
In an era of anti-vax bullshit, it’s not acceptable to be that incorrect in your “oversimplification”.
An oversimplification doesn’t mean you get to make completely false statements. An oversimplification ignores other significant factors to end up with a simple statement that for the most part is true.
It’s rare because we have higher hygiene standards
This is an acceptable oversimplification.
Basically washing our hands eliminated the black plague.
This is not because this is just factually wrong.
The latter is what is being corrected. Now apply your smartass education and understand when you’re wrong.
Hygiene literally means practices that maintain health. Saying “we are healthy by maintaining better hygiene” literally means “We maintained our health by engaging in practices that maintained our health.”
Plague: Then vs now
Its bacteria not a virus. Our hygiene is the biggest reason it is “gone”. No longer throwing shit in the streets.
I see you haven’t been to some towns that literally still throw shit in the streets.
Its bacteria not a virus
And?
the more infectious and fatal strains spread to and killed off every susceptible human at a rate that could not support its propagation to new healthy humans
Plague Inc. has taught me how to be more effective and prevent this from happening.
Evolve Necrosis FTW. Gotta have corpse-to-living tx. The real problem with plague inc. is the motivation though the disease is likely dead one turn after humanity.
This is where we need a conspiracy theory that all complex life is just an intricate biological shell/animate castle-o-saurus, designed to protect and nourish a few self replicating acids, with defense mechanisms to try to kill any interlopers that seek to replicate faster without dissuading anything sexually compatible.
Sounds like the novel Parasite Eve which inspired a movie and later videogame series. Basically it piggy backs on the concept of Mitochondrial Eve wherein Mitocondria evolved separately from all other cellular life and exists as a symbiotic organism.
I assume you mean well, but this is serious “confidently incorrect” energy. Yersinia pestis, the bacteria that causes bubonic plague, never changed to become less virulent and can still affect humans to this day. It has been killing a ton of humans for thousands of years and was still killing thousands of people at a time in localized outbreaks up until we discovered the antibiotics that cure it.
Also, it’s transmitted through the fleas on small mammals, not through the mammals themselves. Flea transmission is far and away the primary vector. Human to human transmission has always been pretty rare, since it can only be transmitted between humans through contact with bodily fluids, similar to how HIV spreads.
It also killed between 10% and 100% (average of a 3rd or so) of populated areas every 10 years for about 600 years. So ~3x longer than the US has been around.
But I assume that nobody at the time had autism, because they were not vaccinated. Worth it!/s
That’s because Tylenol didn’t exist yet
In today’s installment of it’s always projection: This is why Republicans project that the left is a death cult.
where it kept coming back periodically for 500 years
I worked at a zoo for a bit and whenever we went in the prairie dogs enclosure we had to wear lowkey hazmat and fully sanitize before & after bc they can carry it
