Moar overtime, you lazy serfs!

  • Pissed@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Yeah, nobody wants to do those jobs, but we all rely on people doing them, the obvious answer would be to automate the jobs people don’t want to do. Instead you see modern capitalists automating away the jobs people do want to do, like white collar work.

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      4 months ago

      People don’t want white collar jobs because the work is fulfilling. They want them because the jobs aren’t physically demanding and they pay well.

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        4 months ago

        Did I say that? I’d say socialism isn’t attainable without some kind of civil war. Also there are lots of different ways a society can be built and organised and how it interacts with technology.

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            4 months ago

            Who says you need to organise a society in a way that needs toilet cleaners, and who says cleaning toilets is such a God awful job that nobody would do it. I clean my toilet at home and have cleaned toilets at work. Who says cleaning a bathroom isn’t something that every one in a firm can be involved in?

            From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

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                4 months ago

                What? You think there is no way that we could organise a society that doesn’t require a permanent underclass to clean up your shits?

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                  No. What I’m saying is that I haven’t seen it work in reality. I can imagine a society where it might work. I can imagine anything. That doesn’t mean it’s attainable.

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                    4 months ago

                    The capitalism hellscape that is Japan has the children cleaning their schools to teach them autonomy and mutual respect. You can easily organize a company like that with correct education.

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                    4 months ago

                    What do you mean? There are several governments that have socialist governments. On a theory point its very hard to built a different kind of society especially when you’re forced to compete with a capitalist society, its why lots of the Bolsheviks used to believe that a global revolution would be nescissary to completely other throw capitalism. Have you never lived in communal living or with your family where you had to clean up your own shits? Because I have and I’ve seen it work. I’ve also seen worker coops work, and yes there are people who work in worker co ops who clean the toilets.

                    I’ll say it again: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs