No, they’ve lost it. Europe will turn to themselves and everyone else will turn to China. America’s never getting this back.
Can’t be done by the next us president.
This is gonna be decades.
Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.
There is no opposing party in the US
Yeah the next president would have to come from a new party is literally the first thing on my long list of what would need to be done
That’s still not enough. Even if you rewrite the rules, you need to show that the opposing side also supports the same rules.
Hence the end of rules-based order.
That was my bad, I got it in my head that we were talking about fixing the fuck ups. You’re right, trust will take time, but I think everyone will be willing to at least give us a chance once the orange one is gone.
The Orange one has demonstrated how useless the system is at dealing with him. It doesn’t matter what the next guy says, everyone has seen that the guy after that can just blatantly ignore the rules again, tear up and ignore agreements, and nothing will stop him.
That’s the real problem. The promises and signed agreements of America mean nothing now. I don’t know how you fix that without some serious structural changes and some way of proving those changes will be actually enforced.
No they won’t. He was in once and then gone. But he came back and so much worse. He has demonstrated that not only is there enough appetite among the voting populace for his brand of hate and violence, but that our institutions are woefully incapable of protecting their own country let alone the fucking world. Prior to that I’m sure most of the world would have thought straight up kidnapping a “democratically” elected world leader and a full on unprovoked war (in all but name) would be impossible. But here we are. Anything short of an actual uprising or revolution won’t be sufficient on their own. I’d bet good money we don’t have a chance at seeing a return to the position and soft power we held for at least half a century.
It’ll take decades to make up for completely but what can the next president do to regain some trust?
The US needs to look inward and figure out how to reconstruct itself, or it needs to balkanize and let the theocratic feudal states and the oligarchic surveillance states destroy themselves and their populations in their own ways.
The existing political system is shot top to bottom, complete regulatory capture, corrupted judiciary, masked secret police black bagging and executing people on the street, wasted idiots in charge of state, defense, and health…
USA needs to stop worrying about how to impress the girl at the club and think about how to stop hurting themselves and others before they even think about relationships again.
Just in the last year the US has systematically threatened and insulted every country in the world, and most world leaders individually (except NK, RU, IR, of course). And the US is still making things worse for the entire planet, proudly and defiantly. And the next president will continue this way of behaving because ALL US PRESIDENTS do now.
Asking this question is like a bully asking the kid to forgive him while continuing to punch him.
It’s kind of insulting to the other people.
What? I’m literally asking what the next leader should do to start improving the situation, not asking anyone’s forgiveness. If you can’t name one actual concrete thing, just admit it.
I wrote a paragraph about regulatory capture, the corrupt judiciary, bellicose and self-destructive foreign policy…
Your belief that one man, “the president” (or any one person) can do something that big is in itself part of the problem. Your democracy is flawed so you need to fix that first instead of thinking you need some superman that will just “do something”.
It’s like bulldozing a house and then ask what the bulldozer can do to “fix things”.
I’m actually with you - I don’t believe any one president can just wave a magic wand and do away with regulatory capture forever. I’m not sure what I said specifically that made you think I put that all on the president.
However it would be equally fallacious to say he can do nothing. It is still a very relevant question, which no one seems to want to answer: what CAN the next president DO to restore trust? Not necessarily restore it ALL but begin to heal the situation? No colorful metaphors. Actual actions that are within the power of the office. This is a real question.
I doubt we’ll ever recover from this.
Yeah, goodwill is like love, trust and a very expensive porcelain Ming vase.
Once broken, you can’t go back.
Depends. I’m sure Cascadia and ColonialUSA will make and keep friends, but the central states far less so.
It all depends how they re-organize after the country is split in 4.
- proportional representation
- modern constitution
- direct presidential election
- apolitical judiciary
- apolitical law enforcement
… would be a good start.
Those are things Congress or the states would need to do—the president can’t (and shouldn’t) make Constitutional amendments.
Not disagreeing but how would you make a modern constitution without pissing off alot of people who see it as a historical artifact for all time?
You don’t. The US can’t be fixed until the people want it to be fixed. And right now they don’t.
The constitution is a living document designed to be amended.
Reverse all the damage and throw every pedophile in jail and sieze their assets, throw every grifter oligarch in jail and sieze their assets, every Israeli backed politician in jail for treason and sieze their assets, abolish the electoral college, install universal healthcare, install free college, abolish private equity and execute the entire trump administration for treason and crimes against humanity. This is the bare minimum
US has always acted like a villain. CIA overthrowing governments, NSA spying on EU companies/politicians with US admitting they did for “US interests” (maximizing US companies’ profits by cheating the rest of us); arming terrorist groups and just causing chaos around the world or if self-interest while we have to pretend we’re OK with it or they will cut of trade. They are the only western country that uses torture as official policy, doesn’t think food and shelter are you human rights etc etc.
And people mostly don’t care or forget very quickly. Next time elect someone who can speak full sentences and is not so blatantly corrupt, show some goodwill, and people will forget within months.
Good or evil in this case doesnt really matter. The key was consistency. America had been a world stabilizer for almost 100 years(even if the world stabilization was achived by destabilizing other nations). The world relied on that concept for global trade and the markets that brought with it.
That illusion is now shattered. The world knows its always a 4 year election cycle away from complete chaos. The trust to be earned back will take as long as it takes for humanity to forget. And it would also require us to be stable for that ammount of time. This means a minimum of the lifetimes of the people currently alive and possibly never.
But i am betting it never recovers to the same degree. America isnt the same power today as it was when it gained its place in the world. And China / europe are more powerful now than they were in the 50’s. We are no longer a world leader in education, manufacturing etc. Its possible we could speed up the recovery with some political changes to the system, but i dont have much hope for it. It would require the people in power doing things agaisnt their own interests.
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New Nuremberg trials for all in, and allies propping up, the former regime
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Transparent audit of everything trump broke and real-time checklist of process to restore critical needs, prioritizing human lives.
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A lasting and appropriate punishment for trump himself
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Recovering the funds to do all of the above from trump and complicit billionaires in the private sector - starting with musk for his own crimes against humanity.
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A job corp to employ all of the AI layoffs, similar to the New Deal’s Civilian Conservation Corps. Needs a healthy vetting to avoid left over trump chuds
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Expand the Supreme Court
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End Citizens United
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All trump appointees, in all positions, are removed from offices immediately. If not convicted in new Nuremberg trials, they can still reapply for positions and be consists as any other
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The demolished east wing will be rebuilt as a simple building and used as a museum to the attrocities that trump committed and the people and institutions that enabled him. An artist will be commissioned to design a pitch black facade, perhaps in the shape of the old building. It should look out of place and awkward, and stand forever as a sort of black eye on America. To show how the nation was injured and not cover it up. There will be legislation to perpetually fund the museum and make admission free to all.
The future will require a simple understanding - there was not an equivalency here, no two valid sides. The was objective wrong and right. No more pretending
Trump-appointed Supreme Court judges can be removed by a single person. They need to be at the right place at the right time and have a good kit and aim. While this could physically undo the appointments, it would decrease the trust in the country’s safety, as all assasinations do.
Considering we have concentration camps and death squad paramilitary police forces that have on record conducted what are effectively summary executions… decreasing trust in the country’s safety would simply be a course correction of public perception.
They’re not assasinating elites, are they? That’s why Luigi was a bigger deal than all killings by ICE combined.
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Severe and thorough retribution.
Republicans MUST pay.
Remember maga chanting lock her up with Hilary? Time to return the favor.
Except let’s not be bitches about it like they were. Let’s actually do it.
That would be a good start. Continue with fixing your country, and be nice to those outside your borders. Even the US cannot survive on its own.
Restore the rule of law, and make sure traitors like Trump end up behind bars. No mercy for those who had no mercy with others.
put current administartion in jail to a man, abolish both parties, start extensive campaign rooting out the corruption and influence of the rich from your country. 2/3 of those at least.
To gain back Americans’ trust? Almost nothing.
To gain back other countries’ trust? Quite a lot.
To actually be a good president and make the country a reasonably decent place to live? Not realistic for one presidency.
As a unitedstatesian: I genuinely do not believe the trust we’ve squandered with parts of the world that (previously) didn’t mind us / considered us allies is going to be recovered in my lifetime. Our idiocy has put far too many things in motion that are going to have irrevocable consequences for the very long term. For instance: just today, the US is apparently considering suspending Spain for disrupting operation Epstein Fury, despite the fact that there is absolutely no mechanism within the NATO charter to unilaterally do that to Spain.
Yeah, the USA had the momentum after WW2, and they just lost it.
Simple: refrain from doing any stupid shit for half a century. any stupid shit will kick the timer backwards 70℅ of the elapsed time.
(There really is no other way)
That’s the care of symbol, not %. No idea why it’s so prominent on Android System Keyboard.
Oh, thanks for the heads-up! I edited the comment now. And know to be careful with this in the future!
Germany was forgiven much faster than 50 years.
Yeah, that’s true. Although, not by much. I remember that in 1990’s there was still plenty of distrust towards them, as they were seen as nazis. Nobody wanted Germany to become strong. The 1990’s began 45 yeqrsnafter WWII had ended, and while the trust had been almost recovered, it was still not intact. I’m not sure if it’s even now: Germany is the biggest reason we didn’t support Ukraine militarily as much as needed back in spring 2022. They wanted cheap gas and were ready to accept horrors in the name of political realism. It’s hard at least for me to not see a connection between that cynicism and what the same cynicism led to in 1920’s and 1930’s.
Well, shall we split up the USA for 50 years for starters?
If there were an actual way to give all rural areas to Russia, sure, let them see how wonderful the totalitarian government they so desperately want would be to live under.
This. Trust is a function of time and commitment. Especially time. Easy to lose hard to gain
Act normal for 20-30 years. Other countries are not going to revert their investments and turn on their new allies immediately after Americans elect someone normal. It took a long time (way too long) for them to realize US is not their ally anymore and it will take a lot of time to convince them otherwise now.
Just start treating people with kindness and respect and show that your word is your bond. That’s it. The rest takes time, like any healing does.
…and that time is about two generations. People reproduce at around age 25, so two generations are about 50 years.
I hope other countries will heed the warning.
Honestly, don’t even mention the last president publicly. Act like he never existed. Investigate him surely. Reverse any and all of his policies. But just don’t acknowledge him at all.
That would decrease my trust. It would look like they are doing nothing to learn from their FAFO.
I didn’t say do nothing. I’m just saying don’t give that asshole the attention. Treat him publicly as though he never fucking existed. That’s how you treat a narcissist. Deplatform him.
