By throwing the last one under the bus. Literally.
Can’t be done by the next us president.
This is gonna be decades.
It’ll take decades to make up for completely but what can the next president do to regain some trust?
The US needs to look inward and figure out how to reconstruct itself, or it needs to balkanize and let the theocratic feudal states and the oligarchic surveillance states destroy themselves and their populations in their own ways.
The existing political system is shot top to bottom, complete regulatory capture, corrupted judiciary, masked secret police black bagging and executing people on the street, wasted idiots in charge of state, defense, and health…
USA needs to stop worrying about how to impress the girl at the club and think about how to stop hurting themselves and others before they even think about relationships again.
Just in the last year the US has systematically threatened and insulted every country in the world, and most world leaders individually (except NK, RU, IR, of course). And the US is still making things worse for the entire planet, proudly and defiantly. And the next president will continue this way of behaving because ALL US PRESIDENTS do now.
Asking this question is like a bully asking the kid to forgive him while continuing to punch him.
It’s kind of insulting to the other people.
What? I’m literally asking what the next leader should do to start improving the situation, not asking anyone’s forgiveness. If you can’t name one actual concrete thing, just admit it.
Your belief that one man, “the president” (or any one person) can do something that big is in itself part of the problem. Your democracy is flawed so you need to fix that first instead of thinking you need some superman that will just “do something”.
It’s like bulldozing a house and then ask what the bulldozer can do to “fix things”.
I’m actually with you - I don’t believe any one president can just wave a magic wand and do away with regulatory capture forever. I’m not sure what I said specifically that made you think I put that all on the president.
However it would be equally fallacious to say he can do nothing. It is still a very relevant question, which no one seems to want to answer: what CAN the next president DO to restore trust? Not necessarily restore it ALL but begin to heal the situation? No colorful metaphors. Actual actions that are within the power of the office. This is a real question.
I wrote a paragraph about regulatory capture, the corrupt judiciary, bellicose and self-destructive foreign policy…
Unless, things get so fucked that it results in multiple landslide elections for the opposing party. If they had a supermajority in every branch, they could practically rewrite it all from scratch.
That’s still not enough. Even if you rewrite the rules, you need to show that the opposing side also supports the same rules.
Hence the end of rules-based order.
That was my bad, I got it in my head that we were talking about fixing the fuck ups. You’re right, trust will take time, but I think everyone will be willing to at least give us a chance once the orange one is gone.
The Orange one has demonstrated how useless the system is at dealing with him. It doesn’t matter what the next guy says, everyone has seen that the guy after that can just blatantly ignore the rules again, tear up and ignore agreements, and nothing will stop him.
That’s the real problem. The promises and signed agreements of America mean nothing now. I don’t know how you fix that without some serious structural changes and some way of proving those changes will be actually enforced.
No they won’t. He was in once and then gone. But he came back and so much worse. He has demonstrated that not only is there enough appetite among the voting populace for his brand of hate and violence, but that our institutions are woefully incapable of protecting their own country let alone the fucking world. Prior to that I’m sure most of the world would have thought straight up kidnapping a “democratically” elected world leader and a full on unprovoked war (in all but name) would be impossible. But here we are. Anything short of an actual uprising or revolution won’t be sufficient on their own. I’d bet good money we don’t have a chance at seeing a return to the position and soft power we held for at least half a century.
There is no opposing party in the US
Yeah the next president would have to come from a new party is literally the first thing on my long list of what would need to be done
I doubt we’ll ever recover from this.
Yeah, goodwill is like love, trust and a very expensive porcelain Ming vase.
Once broken, you can’t go back.
Depends. I’m sure Cascadia and ColonialUSA will make and keep friends, but the central states far less so.
It all depends how they re-organize after the country is split in 4.
- proportional representation
- modern constitution
- direct presidential election
- apolitical judiciary
- apolitical law enforcement
… would be a good start.
Those are things Congress or the states would need to do—the president can’t (and shouldn’t) make Constitutional amendments.
Not disagreeing but how would you make a modern constitution without pissing off alot of people who see it as a historical artifact for all time?
You don’t. The US can’t be fixed until the people want it to be fixed. And right now they don’t.
The constitution is a living document designed to be amended.
Prosecute traitors immediately.
Help install safeguards so this me er happens again. Like for presidential nominess for secretary of defense or education. Only select people who work in that field and with knowledge of the job can nominate people for consideration and the president can only hire this nominated
the problem is the abuse of power. you won’t gain back trust by abusing power. this thinking is the reason it won’t happen
Actually I don’t care I want revenge
then you are part of the problem, congratulations
Yep wanting to hold these fucks accountable and using extreme measures to make sure this never happens again is a problem. Lmao you sound like a conservative simp
Ceaușescu’s end is instructive here. Trump won’t concede defeat like Orbàn.
It’s like it is not even trump the problem in the long run, but 50%+ of senators etc who just let an insane person burn down the whole country lol. Greek drama for sure.
That’d be my step 1, personally
Step 2 is proving it
Isn’t that what the current one does constantly???
Seize the means of production.
Trust amongst your allies is absolutely fucked. Itll take years for you to get it back
Do you mean within the US or trust internationally?
The rest of the world has begrudgingly let the US dominate world commerce, culture, and morality. Now they’re realizing how much of their own identity they’ve given away, and are struggling to recover from it. Critically, even if the US ever gets their shit together again, nobody else wants to go back to the same relationship they had. We’ve been forced out of an abusive relationship, and now we’re free.
And here I am, stuck living in the one country in the world that’s only getting closer to the US: Israel. I pray that by the end of the next decade or three, when the dust settles, we’ll be closer to Europe instead, as we’ve been in the past. But that seems practically impossible.
Sigh maybe I’ll move to Europe. I’d probably fit in better culturally.
Ouch. Good luck man!
This is a downfall, you guys haven’t even reached the lowest point yet. You already talk about getting back up. This is what’s great about America. But the real answer is: Trump isn’t alone and was openly racist, misogynistic, dumb and indecent about it all. It’s the fact that he was able to even start considering a career in politics that needs to be addressed.
Showering the world with gifts and promises isn’t going to change anything. If we’re all just waiting for the next fucker to arrive. You have to do something far more substantial like giving up veto rights, or something stupid like that. Which would be completely idiotically desperate lost-the-war type of concessions in peace time.
The fact of the matter is that this isn’t going to happen and all the world can hope for is that things calm down and the internal temsions in the country come to a conclusion the world can support.
Very well put.
It has to be in phases, most importantly, it has to be consistent.
First President-Elect after Shitstain, would have to spend their entire first year, rolling back what they’re capable. They’d have to figure a way to permanently codify long-debated issues to settle the score ‘once and for all’ so that nobody, not even Congress or the Supreme Court or themselves, can ever roll it back. It would have to be a series of votes and passes to make it this way. Once it’s done, it’s done, no take-backs.
Second year in, they would spend that time prosecuting, chasing and holding accountable, all and any traitors to the country from government to other branches. America should be about weeding out the traitors.
Third year in, they can spend that year, trying to remedy fractured allies that Shitstain ruined. America should still be America first, after all, there’s a lot of work to be done to fix itself, but it should also be lenient to the globe as well.
Fourth year in, campaign time and see and hope that they remain.
Regardless of any scenario, it’s still down to the people to even get someone who is like this and to keep up supporting and voting people like this. We are always one general election cycle away from all of the effort being undone because people are intentionally ill-informed and that gullible to buy into manufactured lies.
I’ve been thinking about it. It’s not good enough to say “Sorry, last guy was a dipshit.” Especially since the majority of people in the US think he is a dipshit right now.
I think we would need to remove said dipshit from power, and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. Then remove anyone who knew he was a dipshit and had responsibility to say/do something about it, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law where appropriate. Then find anyone that supported the dipshit in exchange for favors from the dipshit, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
After all that, then we need to get laws in place that prevent this kind of dipshittery from happening again. Specifically, we need heavy penalties for election campaign finance and ethics violations. Ranked choice voting seems like a pretty good way to prevent us from having to a choose between the two least likeable assholes in the country to lead us. Big money needs to be out of politics, remove Citizens United, remove the ability of corporations to make campaign contributions, and maybe even make campaign finances be paid out of a government fund where each a candidate gets an equal amount.
Once we’ve removed the dipshits, and prevented the possibility of a dipshit getting elected again, the last ingredient for this redemption recipe is time. People aren’t just going to forget what has happened. We need to demonstrate consistent stability and sanity in both our foreign and domestic politics for at least a decade or two.
I don’t think all of this will happen TBH. A more realistic redemption is a complete restructure of the United States, and probably a separation into a few different countries, varying in sanity from a solarpunk future state to the religious-zealot-lead redneckistan.
Yeah the behavior of the Democratic party makes it clear that they will take down the empire before permitting any reform.
Somehow they are always one vote short!
And they’re also all in their fucking 80s.
I don’t think the Democrats can’t be reformed until the Republicans party is eliminated, or ranked choice voting is enacted nation-wide.
We can’t take risks on more progressive candidates when a loss results in a literal child-raping Nazi getting elected instead.
This isn’t a “no, you’re wrong” rebuke, but a “yes, but first…” agreement.
It’s always a good time to re read Letter From a Birmingham Jail.
Next? This is gonna be a generational problem. Once trust is broken you can’t buy it back.
Exactly. There was a chance to win back trust after the orange idiots first term, but now that the US has shown it is willing to make the same stupid mistake again, no matter what the next president does, there’s always the possibility of another idiot ruining everything after that. only chance is for the American people to stop being 50:50 split and take a clear stance against fascists.
- Hang every person on the Epstein list.
- Abolish lobbying and any level of secrecy for politicians
- Reclaim all private property owned by anyone with more than 5 million dollars and fairly redistribute it.
- Disband the CIA.
- Make all documents in the government public record.
- Write a new constitution listing all possible ways the government could be exploited to be reviewed anually with lifetime Incarnation and labor for violations and compounding punishment for each individual involved.
For sure everyone in that list should get mandatory 5 years for just being on the list. More if there’s other instances.
For sure, lobbyists need to be gone period.
I don’t honestly think you could rewrite the Constitution and have it be impartial in the slightest. Maybe if you pulled 100+ random Americans and put them in a room for a year with no outside contact. There’s no politician that isn’t bought already that should do it.
I know it’ll never happen, but I’d like to add 7. All presidents will be forced to live at the poverty level after their term is over for the rest of their life. No rich friends, no stocks or businesses.
We’d get UBI real quick after that.
All politicians and supreme court judges, not just presidents ideally.
I was going to say that, but I felt it was at least slightly plausible that we might make one guy a sacrificial lamb, rather than most of the elected officials.
Oh, a revolution!
I like the energy but historically it usually gets way worse… the killing never seem to end, and if you get a death/life sentence nobody would want to be a politician. That’s a known problem.
What about putting the power in the hands of everyday people? Like representative democracy?
3 while your heart is in the right place would cause so much harm to innocent people that frankly you might as well just fucking start beating people with a bat at random. You would do less harm.
5m is NOT a lot of money depending on how you cut it. Hell my family has roughly 6.3 million because of the house we all live in and have lived in for 100 years. Because it was built by my great grandfather and maintained and expanded by every generation.
Most of my family is currently loving pay check to pay check. And the rest only barely better then that. Taking away private property just based on a random amount of money owned is unreason, fucked up, and WILL get people killed due to how hard that can and will destabilize entire families.
4 is flat out retarded. Every country on fucking earth has a international division of their government. Your actively a dipshit that understands nothing if you think that’s remotely a reasonable let alone even a good idea.
Better oversight? Sure, disband? Actually a bleach drinking take.
A complete overhaul of the electoral process that allowed fascists to gain complete control.
A complete overhaul of the society that became so sick that they willingly put the fascists there. Twice.
A complete overhaul of the elittest pedophile bi/trillionaire class that has unfettered control over every branch of state and federal government and meddles in foreign affairs across the globe.
In short: The USA would need to be torn down and rebuilt.
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The silver(ish) lining is that he is actively reducing how much power that position actually has in the world. Our soft power has been demolished.
Head down to the Winchester, have a pint and let it all blow over.
In all seriousness, this is irreparable damage that will take more than a few terms to put right, that’s even if you have an administration that is willing to make amends. The entirety of this administration needs purging. Every single one, from the supreme court, to the FBI, CIA…anyone with any links or support for the current leeches in power.
