Do you use the word “trans” when talking about nonbinary people?
Nonbinary person here, and yes nb people are trans. You’re transitioning from one gender to another.
Trying to assert otherwise, and playing semantic word games, especially when we’re all being so heavily targeted right now, is reckless and stupid. Whether an individual non-binary person feels a strong connection of the word transgender is their business, but we should all be banding together and meeting the fucking moment. Not atomizing ourselves further
Enby here, too … I’m naturally androgynous, so haven’t transitioned from anything to anything.
You might not have medically transitioned, but surely you socially transitioned in some way. Changed your name and/or pronouns? Altered the way you dress, perhaps?
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I got my tits hacked off but it was mostly for back pain
Jeez, I got so lucky. After giving birth mine went back down to IBTC levels, I can’t imagine living with big 'uns :-/
How is the flat chested life treating you?
sometimes I wonder if I’ll miss them someday but then I saw an ad the other day for bras that was like our bras fit all shapes!
- too small on top
- too small on the bottom
- too big on the sides
- flat
- pointy
- Long
- lumpy
- point down
- point up
- point out
- point in different directions
and for only $80 per bra!
I’m a little grateful they’re gone after seeing that.
Must suck to need special bras :-/ I think my budget is about 20€ per year for that.
Mostly though, I was wondering if you fall over backwards due to unexpected weight distribution or anything.
Also, are your nipples ok, sensation-wise?
worse oversensitivity actually I think I need to try the TENS on them and see what happens. I have a neuropathic toe I’ve been meaning to do too.
That is decided by each individual non binary person. If they say their trans, that’s valid. If they say they aren’t, also valid. Trans is an intentionally broad community, but never one that requires membership.
Technically, identifying as a different gender from AGAB is the most widely accepted definition of transgender, and almost nobody was assigned non-binary at birth or never had their gender assessed before becoming sufficiently self-aware so just about all enbys are trans. However, AGAB is sensitive info and trans people can choose to not be “proudly trans” and this should extend to enbys. Especially since they might not share many typical characteristics of trans people, such as dysphoria or trying to pass. I like how @SincerityIsCool@lemmy.ca described it.
Only if they consider themselves trans.
I’m nonbinary and not trans! People have tried to declare to me that nonbinary people are inherently trans. No. I will bite them. :V
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Oh! Thank you for sharing!
Yeah! And thank you for asking, and not just assuming! =^.^=
I’m pretty sure no-one is assigned enby at birth.
Thus?
I think that’s as far as my knowledge extends, unfortunately.
Yes but this is where certain qualifiers come in. I’ve known nonbinary people for whom all it is is a personal identity. When I talk about trans issues they’re rarely a part of it, because those issues rarely impact them. Inversely I’ve known nonbinary people who’ve had to grapple with getting legal recognition, getting access to surgery and hormones, and all that other stuff. Of course they’re included when I talk about trans issues. At the end of the day, both and everything in between falls under the umbrella, but not all discussions about the umbrella are about everyone under it, and it’s not always worth creating words for different subcategories.
It is a form of transgenderism, though not necessarily the case given the technicality.
Complex question.
It’s really based on self identification. But most nb or fluid people I know, including myself, wont consider themselves trans. As most of the times there’s not that “transition”.
But of course many other nb could identify as trans and feel like they are going or has gone through a transition.
Enby here.
Absolutely not.
Non-binary means you represent yourself outside of both genders as in, you identify as neither, you’re just an individual. Alternatively, you can also identify as genderfluid, being that you’re a mix of both but still don’t identify yourself as strongly either gender.
But regarding anything transgender-related? No. Transgender is you still identifying by a gender and changing over to that other gender. So long as you identify, strongly, as one or both genders to be either, you are not non-binary. So, please don’t confuse the two.
SO: The key difference between non-binary and trans is pretty clear. Non-Binary identifies OUTSIDE of genders, all and any. Transgenders identifies INSIDE genders, both or any. The only key trait they both share is - Genderfluid. But even then, the two don’t correspond eachother. And to clarify the shared Genderfluid label;
When you’re Non-Binary and Genderfluid, you take numerous attributes and traits from either gender, but you do not strongly represent either gender. You can behave like a man outside, feel female inside and still be like “I still see myself as just a person, no gender.” and vice versa.
When you’re Transgender and Genderfluid, you take numerous attributes and traits from either gender, so you identify as both genders and you go about that however you wish.
Transgender is you still identifying by a gender and changing over to that other gender.
I’m not sure I agree… many of my trans friends have said they didn’t “change over” to the other gender, they were always that gender.
Non-Binary identifies OUTSIDE of genders, all and any.
Again, I think you missed the mark here… nonbinary folks often do identify as a gender which is not part of the typical binary. I think you confused this for agender.
Many consider the absence of gender a gender in and of itself.
Not to mention, agender ∈ enby but not every enby is agender… unless you only accept 2 genders
Trans as an affix doesn’t just mean across though, it also means beyond. So outside genders you can also be transgender.
Moot point as self identity is the real authority here, but wordplay is fun
…No. That’s just you re-defining an already established term and trying to expand upon, beyond that establishment.
No, wordplay is not fun, it just creates confusion and this is exactly why, it’s harder for some LGBTQ+ members to get acceptance. Because, you there stirring the pot of wordplay, just confuses people into identity chaos. Can you try explaining to someone who doesn’t know or understand, but is curious, about certain members from the community with a straight face?
Without them idly nodding before probably going “okay, cool” but not in a “I totally understand” way but more like a dismissive way because internally they’re fucking confused and probably are more turned off from understanding LGBTQ+ individuals than before.
That’s you ruining it for them. So no, wordplay is NOT fun. Fuck off with that!
literal definition of the affix. Look it up.
Also the trans community does include intersex and enbys
And if you got off your outrage high, you’d read the rest of that last sentence. You know, the bit where I literally said “Self identity is the real authority”
I get it. You love your purity politics. I don’t. And on a personal note: Don’t try and tell me what the Community wants. Because I’ve been a member of it a lot longer than you have. And that policing purity politicking bullshit is literally a psyop to try and fracture us.
Technically, all non-cis are trans, but culturally I don’t think non-binary really fits, I think it is conceptually different frim what most people understand trans to mean.
In my experience, there can be very strong views on this question from people who identify as enby and/or trans. I always defer to what the enby person I am interacting with prefers, but know that what is good for the goose isn’t always good for the gander. I’d always suggest asking the person you’re referring to about how they personally identify, but I have had almost zero reason to ever ask. Pronouns are usually enough for day to day interactions and friends/family have always just volunteered without me asking (they’d give different responses to your question, by the way).
For the sake of clarity, it’s best to reserve the term “trans” for people who are interested in altering their body and/or dressing very differently from their birth gender. So for NBs, it’ll depend on your goals.
Personally, as an enby, I don’t consider myself trans as such. I have never felt I’ve transitioned, just been whatever I came as. As in my physical and psychological reality matches my identity, though I admit I’m no expert here. My struggles are mostly paperwork, nothing more.
But trans issues, politically, are almost 1:1 same, whatever the real overlap, so there’s no real meaning in the distinction. I don’t want to muddy the waters by claiming to be trans, but whatever I am or am not is neither here or there, when, whatever the answer might be, the issues are almost all shared either way.
And the label doesn’t matter one way or the other. Whatever is most respectful to most everyone, is fine for me, and I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other. But fundamentally I have been blessed, deserved or not, with no need to ever really transition as such.
Enby here: I’m neither a transman nor a transwoman, but trans issues affect me.
“Trans” can be a pretty large umbrella. When you get into specifics, I’m not so sure that I’m trans. But I am part of the trans community. Not trans, but also trans. Schrodinger’s trans person.
Consider someone who’s agender. They’d be non-binary, but they also aren’t transitioning to any gender. Ask the GOP which bathroom to use and you can watch their head explode.
Yup, that describes me - AFAB, androgynous enough that when I stopped binary gender presentation I started getting kicked out if women’s toilets.
I wouldn’t call myself trans because I’ve put in no effort (just stopped doing things), and to do so would feel like stolen valour.
I do feel like in order to claim an identity one should either fit in that general area, or put in some effort towards it.
great response, thank you
The definition of transgender is anyone who identifies with a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. It is therefore an umbrella term that includes nonbinary genders. Being transgender and transitioning are separate things.
That being said, when people are talking about “trans people” they often mean binary trans people (ie men and women), especially in the current political context.
It’s also not unheard of for some nonbinary people to be uncomfortable with calling themselves trans, presumably for the associations with binary trans people.
idk about trans, but they are gender nonconforming and part of GSM (gender and sexuality minorities).
