“Unremoval of Piracy Communities” https://lemmy.world/post/6018317
This post needs to be updated to reflect the current policy.
Six months later, a new Removal of piracy communities announcement confirmed that these communities had been removed. !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which was the most popular piracy community, is still inaccessible to lemmy.world users. This is misleading: users see the old post, sign-up, and then find out they cannot access the community.
Please edit the original post to include the new removal announcement.
It’s been 2 years, what made you dig that up?
Because nothing has changed?
People have had 2 years to switch to another instance. Lemmy.zip, used by OP, is nice.
Personally I think if LW wants to ban a certain kind of content, more power to them. But they should be transparent about it.
If they’ve said they’ll unban pirate content, then pirate content should be allowed. If they want it banned, fine, but make a statement clarifying that that is the case.
OP is doing good work by pointing this out.
We wouldn’t want anyone forgetting, now would we?
People don’t want to switch.
Then they’re the same as the Reddit users who refuse to move. It’s not hard to move to a different Lemmy/PieFed instance, that’s our strength. You can export your account data and import it to your new instance so your subscriptions transfer.
Then admins have no reasons to change anything
People want access to the defederated instances, on lemmy.world.
People also wanted API access on Reddit in 2023, and here we are
Notice how ‘here’ is no longer reddit
Reddit refused access to API, and people left reddit.
Lemmy.world is refusing access to the pirate instances.
By your logic, people should leave Lemmy.
That’s why it’s nice not to use lemmy.world
Turns out the admins and community moderators there lie or just don’t care, mild shock.
Laughs in @lemmy.dbzer0.com.
The strength of the fediverse is exactly this: don’t like what an instance admin is doing? Move to another instance or create your own.
defederates Feddit
That’s a pro in my book considering I had harassment directed my way by a feddit admin.
You say that as if it’s a gotcha, not a boon
Ultimately when you criticize censorship you ultimately get a bunch of Freeze peach libertarians who want to do whatever they want and see moderation as something to fear. That’s why it’s important to be precise and not speak in broad or abstract terms when criticizing censorship.
If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different. This is why I tell people not to use db0.
Used to be the first thing we’d suggest but it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different.
I hate when censorship comes for people I do like.
I love when censorship comes for people I don’t like.
it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Admins are fighting a flood of instances and users more interested in getting attention than participating in the community. Consequently, you’ll have power users ballooning the front page with click-bait. You’ll have instances choke full of reactionary content specifically intended to bait a flame war. You’ll have spammers plugging their own brands or working on behalf of some third party. And you’ll have the odd bot-farm or other automated account that’s just probing the Fediverse for gaps.
“Ah, but the individual users can always block what they choose”
Sure. Technically. But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit. The spammers can bloat your inbox faster than the individual can flush it out. So Admins who step in and do a little public house cleaning - the Nanny work you hate - makes the website cleaner and friendlier for lay users that pop in now and then.
I think the censorship arguments can definitely use some maturing… for example, what would you think of the cultural censorship that occurs with Nazi ideology? Probably want to keep that one, huh?
We don’t necessarily want to do away with censorship, I think. But, I think in the most mature world, it would be healthy to.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back? Why does the priest say the solution is faith, an inward focused quality to be solved at the individual-level?
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology… sometimes I don’t know if humans can help it. Censorship is a … nuanced issue.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back?
Why is the priest allowed to just make shit up with nothing more than a bronze aged poorly translated manuscript to back him up? The boy should be able to ask away. It’s the priest that should be censored.
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology
Crazy factoid I learned recently. Children younger than 18 are prohibited from participating in religious activities and receiving religious education, even in schools run by religious organizations within China. If you’re too young to consent, you’re too young to be indoctrinated into a religious tradition.
feddit wasn’t a spam instance?
We vote on who we want to defederate from. Our vote threads even have cool pirate themed images and stuff.
They even make less content an event so you can celebrate your own loss?
Things are done there by consent. I see that’s something you don’t approve of.
By consent of others, whoever registered there will be forced to that outcome even if they disagree. I fail to see how that’s a good thing
Seems kinda hypcritical. Aw well, hivemind gonna hivemind.
Yeah, because piefed.world doesn’t defed or censor anyone. Lol
Go make your own “censor free” instance and stop whining, jfc
They’ll probably whine when it gets defederated due to hosting libertarian freeze peach trolls. Which often happens with no-defed instances. Either that or they’ll learn why defederation is done when they can’t keep up and they end up closing their instance down.
lemmy.world is my least favourite part of lemmy.
also lemmy.ml
Wait until I tell you about .ml
Oh wait…. Shit, sorry.
Hi, I am from an instance no one ever seems to talk about and when reading these kinds of threads I am glad I made that choice. 😁
Ok everybody. You heard them! Everybody talk about discuss.tchncs.de! Let’s ALL form opinions and talk at length about them!
To be fair to others less knowledgeable, I’ve seen first hand someone admitting they joined .ml because it was the first/largest server they learned about, not knowing it was a marxist-leninist joint, and they were asking how to transfer their account up on outta there. That was a fun thread lol
My point is, just like we can’t judge people based on their national origin, we shouldn’t judge people from their home instance. But as a general rule, yeah .ml reeks lol
I recently read an interesting comment about .ml that I think is worth sharing: https://lemmy.ml/post/42725005/23793647
That wall of text could be summarized as “but what about the other guys” without addressing a single criticism.
That a nice wall of text but does not track onto reality.
As nice as those anticommercial ideals are, I generally just see shills that enjoy downplaying Russia’s invasion and justifying Iran’s mass-murdering of protesters out of .ml. Some really, really bizarre cyberstalking weirdos too.
Might be survivorship bias because only the assholes get noticed, but .ml has a pretty shitty reputation because of them.
I had no idea this was a thing. Interesting. I can see from liability why this is not something they dont want to touch, being a general purpose instance.
I think lemmy/fediverse needs a place where if you try and subscribe to something blocked, you get a post/page explaining why they did the thing. Its going to confuse new users otherwise.
IIRC when it was implemented in the first place, it seemed like lemmy.world had actually been contacted by some stakeholder with a DMCA-style request, even though the community was not actually originating on lemmy.world. Explaining how federation worked to lawyers didn’t matter much and with .world at the time becoming one of the larger and more visible instances that seemed like the best way to avoid the headaches. Initially they defederated with dbzer0 entirely before developing a way to block just the community.
Considering the bullshit spewed by them to justify their ban of pro-Luigi comments, claiming they consulted a lawyer, I doubt this ever happened.
Is it a known thing that they were dishonest about speaking to a lawyer with that situation?
I’ve been meaning to change instances and find a new home, if it’s known that they lied or mislead their users thats something I’d love to know more about
They did not admit it. I don’t think anyone could have have proof they didn’t. Only the ridiculousness of their arguments.
Hey Cris,
As someone else said in the comments, https://lemmy.zip/ is very nice. You can see the monthly updates from the admins on !home@lemmy.zip
And if you want to give Piefed a chance, they have https://piefed.zip/ as well
You can import your Lemmy.world settings and blocks from the account settings
Thanks! Previously I had looked for a way to import settings and was unable to find it so that held me up, but I got all my comms imported so I’m gonna give piefed.zip a try as my new instance ☺️
Username is slightly different now, it was probably time for it to change
Oh great, welcome here! 😊 Glad you like it, feel free if you have any questions
Thank you! I really appreciate the help ☺️
Hope you have a lovely day blaze!
I’ve been on a few instances. Was on lemm.ee before owner-fatigue. Joined a couple since, but lemmy.zip felt closer to my old instance than any other. Super transparent admin and one of the reasons I have a monthly donation set up. Got good quality folks here, also!
