• 𝙈𝙞𝙖@quokk.au
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    14 days ago

    I’m saying it’s a lie and always has been. Americans need to stop fantasising about the past. Same goes with the creepy reverence for the founding fathers.

    Focus on the future and building a better world, not clinging to a past that never existed.

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          13 days ago

          no, it was irrelevant to their harassment of the person they were replying to. they were simultaneously attacking the person accusing them of essentially being an idiotic nationalist for literally espousing the exact same position. Trying to claim the moral higher ground for literally identical positions is fucking retarded.

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              13 days ago

              you’re capable of using a dictionary. pick which ever definition you feel fits best. their intent was very clear from the get go. They were never interested in being a decent interaction.

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        14 days ago

        No they should, that’s exactly why they should ditch the tainted words of liars. You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

        Your nationalism is exactly why you are stuck struggling like his. It needs to die already.

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          14 days ago

          I was hoping to instill a moment of self reflection into you. but clearly that didnt happen.

          The words / aspirations coming from a flawed group of men don’t demean the nature of those aspirations. It simply means some things transcend generations. And I will note a fair number of the men involved in that whole process did aspire to them and wrote against slavery and the things you’re against.

          Nor do they necessarily invoke nationalism you’re railing against.

          You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

          what percisely is ‘rose tinted past’ about this paragraph? and which parts do you disagree with? be specific now.

          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

          On the one had you’re ‘yes of course they should aspire to the meaning of those words’ and on the other your harassing an individual whose invoking them in the hope of inspiring people to actually live up to them.