• hexdream@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      You have no idea. The entire country manipulated by it.take a look at what’s happening with the “xenophobia” running rampant right now. As it stands a deadline of June 30 has been set for foreigners to leave. Supposedly just the illegals, but mobs don’t care.

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        10 days ago

        i actually have no idea and no insides about southafrica. i wish the people all the best and justice

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    11 days ago

    Who fucking cares what some blood emerald mine owning, daughter marrying, alartheid loving, Afikaner says about the US?

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    12 days ago

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

    This is what makes us American. Not our race, creed, color, religion, gender, orientation, or anything else that might divide us. We stand united in our beliefs of self-governance, equality, and the pursuit of happiness.

    Elon Musk and his racist father can go straight to hell.

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      12 days ago

      yes, and it was known from the start to be lies. lies are what makes us american. they knew “all men” meant “white and landed”. then a century later they “had” to give more equality so they sprinkle a little crack around and boom got some slave labor again.

      fuck america in all its forms.

      it was never a real place.

      • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        12 days ago

        yes, are you implying you’d prefer that americans continue that particular interpretation? or adopt the one this person is advocating for?

        • 𝙈𝙞𝙖@quokk.au
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          12 days ago

          I’m saying it’s a lie and always has been. Americans need to stop fantasising about the past. Same goes with the creepy reverence for the founding fathers.

          Focus on the future and building a better world, not clinging to a past that never existed.

              • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                12 days ago

                no, it was irrelevant to their harassment of the person they were replying to. they were simultaneously attacking the person accusing them of essentially being an idiotic nationalist for literally espousing the exact same position. Trying to claim the moral higher ground for literally identical positions is fucking retarded.

            • 𝙈𝙞𝙖@quokk.au
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              12 days ago

              No they should, that’s exactly why they should ditch the tainted words of liars. You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

              Your nationalism is exactly why you are stuck struggling like his. It needs to die already.

              • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                12 days ago

                I was hoping to instill a moment of self reflection into you. but clearly that didnt happen.

                The words / aspirations coming from a flawed group of men don’t demean the nature of those aspirations. It simply means some things transcend generations. And I will note a fair number of the men involved in that whole process did aspire to them and wrote against slavery and the things you’re against.

                Nor do they necessarily invoke nationalism you’re railing against.

                You can strive for these things without clinging on to a rose tinted past.

                what percisely is ‘rose tinted past’ about this paragraph? and which parts do you disagree with? be specific now.

                We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

                On the one had you’re ‘yes of course they should aspire to the meaning of those words’ and on the other your harassing an individual whose invoking them in the hope of inspiring people to actually live up to them.

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        Yes, and not only that, the very forefathers who signed this declaration enslaved the people it didn’t apply to for a long time after.

        This bright vision of America is contrasted by the hypocrisy and failures of its leaders and citizens from then and to this day. But it is also upheld by brave people who dedicate their lives to correcting it, and the everyday citizens who participate in their government to shape that vision.

        Musk’s ironic and oblivious endorsement of white colonization could be said to reflect the hypocrisy of the first colonizing immigrants to this land, and the founding fathers. But his words do not reflect their ideals as laid out in the Constitution and the Declaration. I think the first step in eliminating that hypocrisy is holding ourselves to those ideals today.

        I think that while racism is an American tradition, it is not an American idea and so must be rejected out of hand. Musk may live here, and operate massive business interests intertwined with our government, and he may technically be a citizen, but he is not an American in my view.

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          America has two souls in constant conflict. One striving for freedom and equality, the other towards exclusion, domination, and hierarchy.

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    12 days ago

    “America in the next 20 years will become, the first time in its history, a minority white country.” Paraphrased

    Why is that bad, does Merica treat her minorities poorly?

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      12 days ago

      This fuck-face has a much worse interpretation. It will be worse because non-white people are primitive jungle dwelling idiots. Fuck him and fuck Elon musk.

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      “America in the next 20 years will become, the first time in its history, a minority white country.”

      Good. The fact that anyone with a drop of “non-white” blood isn’t considered white makes it inevitable anyway.

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        12 days ago

        Do you have a source this is how it works in america? Isn’t it based on census data where people choose how they identify?

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          11 days ago

          They’re referring to the ‘one-drop rule’, which was a real law here for way, way too long, and is still used by too many Americans as a basis to judge others.

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    11 days ago

    Hey look, One that nazi hunters missed. We will not miss again. But first, I say we hold him hostage as leverage so we can capture his son, then kill them both.

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    11 days ago

    Wasn’t it always known Elons father is a racist? I mean long before Elons salute and stuff.

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      11 days ago

      Wait until you learn about his grandfather who was more or less banned from Canada around ww2 for creating the ‘technocracy’ (see: technofascism) movement