• Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    8 days ago

    Friendly reminder for my fellow aces out there that the sex circle just means compatibility not necessarily actually having sex. If both of you are cool without doing the Horizontal Mambo, then that means you fulfill the sex circle.

    My wife and I have been married 8 years this July and we haven’t had sex since we conceived our twins who turn 6 this summer. I love her to bits, she’s my best friend. I’m just ace and she’s almost exclusively sexually attracted to women.

    • Tonava@sopuli.xyz
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      7 days ago

      Yeah, me and my partner have been together for over ten years. We’re both ace, so sex hasn’t been on the table from the start and we’re both fine with it. Though I’m aro too, so who the fuck even knows how this works - but hey it does, so who cares.

      You really don’t need to follow some stupid norms about how relationships should be

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 days ago

    Good, but realize there are two people, each with their own idea of which part of this diagram applies to their relationship with the other person.

    P1: Love + Sex

    P2: Friendship + Sex


    Situationship?

    P1: Love + Friendship + Sex

    P2: Friendship + Sex


    Unrequited Romantic Love for P1.

    ‘Its not that serious’ for P2.

    And then this gets even more complicated when you try to account for just sexual attraction, desire to have sex with the other, but not having actually had sex yet, as a variable for both parties.

    P1: Friendship

    P2: Love + Desire for Sex


    Clueless ‘Friend’ for P1

    Limerence/Infatuation for P2

    P1: Friendship + Love

    P2: Friendship + Love + Desire for Sex


    … Greek Tragedy.

    And and, this is just for monogamous couples or pairings and doesn’t well describe polyamory, cucks, cheaters, swingers, etc.

    And and and, as Macchi the Slime points out, this also is inadequate to describe asexuals aces, for whom both P1 and P2 sharing Friendship and Love constitutes a full couple relationship, potentially a perfect match, or where an ace paired with a non ace can follow different dynamics/rules.

    In conclusion, nice try cartoon cat, humans are unfortunately considerably more complicated than that.

    • untorquer@quokk.au
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      8 days ago

      But you just used it as a tool to categorize and explain a wide swath of relationship dynamics. The only thing you needed was to apply it to the individuals instead of the relationship writ large.

      I think the cat is in the middle of a lecture too. Maybe that’s the next slide?

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        8 days ago

        I guess my point is that this is but a stepping stone to perhaps a better systemic way of trying to understand things…

        … or, perhaps the fact that you have to keep complexifying and expanding on the original concept and giving it caveats and special cases… means that some other kind of fundamental approach would be superior.

  • nyctre@piefed.social
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    8 days ago

    Wait, what? How can you love someone without friendship? People I care about are either friends or family. So without friendship, sex + love is just… incest?

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    8 days ago

    Bullshit, you can have a perfectly loving relationship that’s based on deep friendship without sex and you can have a friendship with healthy sex without love.

  • FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    it’s complicated

    Not really, I love a lot of my friends. You don’t need to be a couple or family to love someone

    • angrystego@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      I think love here means falling in love, in an erotic way. The broad term “love” complicates communication sometimes.

  • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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    8 days ago

    I was curious about what it would be like to have a fuck buddy for a while to be honest, thought it would be interesting and shit, unlike one-night stands.

    Anyway, humans became too terrifying and morally repugnant recently to do anything like that.

    Once some minimum standards, like human rights, international law, and just basic decency is restored, once there is some actual hope for this species going into the Jetsons future, instead of blade runner, or AM, then we can talk.

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      8 days ago

      You’re much more likely for this to develop organically than finding someone through an app (which I inferred would be your plan since otherwise you wouldn’t be exposed to people in general)

      • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today
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        8 days ago

        Yeah, it was I guess, find someone who is more like a friend (that you happen to also fuck), maybe the same approach for someone I don’t want to fuck (but for romantic reasons instead), or maybe both, no need for those to be exclusive.

        Now I’m exposed to people because I’m used to it I guess, but I’m prepping myself mentally to not depend on people, because I’m also used to be rejected as a bad person because I can’t do certain things. Like, being lazy for having ADHD. Mostly punished for things I can’t control, when I would rather be away from those people alltogether. I started prepping myself for a world that admits no rights.

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          8 days ago

          No matter what world we live in, we can always find community. Sure, if it comes to full on fascism, finding it might be dangerous, but that’s not the case in many parts of the world.

    • socsa@piefed.social
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      8 days ago

      I always fall in love with my fuck buddies because I am weak and what I actually crave is companionship.

    • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      I’ve had a couple of those situations. In all cases it was a friend that I ended up getting horny with, and then we figured “why not?”. In all cases, the answer turned out to be that shit quickly gets complicated when people develop new feelings because they’re sleeping together.

      Frankly, I have no issue with polyamorous people, but I honestly can’t understand how they get it to work. Every time I’ve slept with someone repeatedly over an extended period of time, it ended up fundamentally changing our relationship to the point where being with anyone else became an implicit no-go. I have no explanation for exactly why but those feelings just developed, no matter how much we promised each other they wouldn’t, and pretended they didn’t.

      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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        7 days ago

        Frankly, I have no issue with polyamorous people, but I honestly can’t understand how they get it to work.

        Some people are just built different. I don’t understand how they get it to work either, but if it works for them, good for them. I don’t have to not think you’re weird to accept that you exist.