Hopefully there will be no next president. Let the country end with this one.
No, he’ll receive a Nobel Peace Prize for the achievement of being US president while not being Donald Trump.
Tell me you don’t remember 2009 without telling me you don’t remember 2009.
If we elect a non-Trump-aligned president, there really is no point to do an apology tour. Obama did it because we could pass the Bush, fils presidency, as a one-off. But after electing Bush twice and Trump twice the world knows the United States can never be trusted again.
I think that before any apologies can be made, the next president would have to send trump & his entire administration to trial, convict them, and sentence them.
Also, they would have to work on passing legislation to make sure another trump never happens (remove the loopholes, the excess of power to the executive branch, the corruption in all three branches, citizens united, the heritage foundation).
…and then do an apology tour. Apologies would mean nothing, if four years later we’re in a position to do the same bullshit again. We need to prove that we can be stable, reliable, and resilient. Make sure our house is in order. THAT’S the apology the world needs to hear.
The oligarchy will never charge one of their own, I’ve been saying this since before Biden went in and we saw first hand they will do nothing to hold him accountable. This is what happens when they all answer to the same people
Your comment prompted my memory of what I think Benjamin Franklin said when the country was born. In response to the question of what type of government they’d designed, he said something to the effect of: “A democracy, if you can keep it.”
Even then, they were mindful of some of the weaknesses of their grand design
Yes, but
It will never go back. The new US will need to learn to be one of many at the table. A powerful one by all means, but one of many nevertheless. The ability to dictate terms to others is gone, all of the leverage has been used, for little gain, and the trust isn’t there anymore. Everyone has hedged against the US, decoupled, and persued other arrangements.
Europe is gone from the empire and will demand massive concessions to let the US even near its strategic policy. Concessions the US can probably can not pay. Remember, the US started a war with the Russians on Europe’s doorstep and then not only abandoned it’s allies, it threatened to invade from the other side (and is still doing so). Europe deployed against the US. The US is openly hostile - an enemy of Europe. There’s no coming back from that.
For better or worse the US is on its own now. Allies are theoretical at best. On its own the US is a western hemisphere regional power. The global power it enjoyed came from the alliances and it was paid for by the economic interdependence of the alliance system. That system is over.
The dominance of the USD is done, that was based on trust, trade is no longer conducted in USD exclusively and currencies no longer route through USD. With the reserve currency status destroyed, the US will have to learn to pay it’s bills like everyone else, from productive work. No more printing money to pay debts on printed money.
Without those things trillion dollar military budgets are out of the question, global force projection becomes impossible. Even enforcing Monroe is probably impossible, the Chinese and Europe are already making inroads in south America and as those investments increase so will the need to protect those.
So apologies are necessary for a reset of relations, yes. But those new relations will look very different from what we have known. It’s a multi polar world now and the US sphere of influence is shrinking to just north America, and even there, the other two countries are not on board and are moving towards EU.
The future is one of US decline and it’s up to Americans how they want to navigate it. Learn to live with the others or fight a losing battle against everyone. Or end the world.
The US so broken that if they want to apologize, SCOTUS, congress, and the senate are have to each as a whole go around to every Provincial capital and apologize on their knees. After they threatened to invade Canada and Denmark we demand no less. The legislative branch is equally guilty, they are just letting this happen. And yes we don’t care if it was 51% of the executive branch, the dems are part of the problem.
Somewhat. Reversing a lot of policies and respecting allies again will go a long way, but it’s going to take some time. New pathways have already been forged that will leave the usa somewhat excluded and behind. They will be a diminished nation from what they once were, and that would be a good thing, as they no longer shared any values with most of the rest of the world. trump is nothing more than the lipstick on the pig that has become “america”.
Reading the comments here, It seems my disabled, poor ass is never going to get to leave the USA, even if I had the means. I voted against the orange regime and it’s similar evils over the years… And yet, I will be condemned to the mass grave that is soon to be America. I guess know that I genuinely tried my best, from talking relatives on how the orange was evil, to helping people vote for candidates that aligned more with the world’s values, and protested even if it wasn’t on the street, it was in my own way… Because I’m disabled in the USA… and it sometimes difficult to even survive, let alone topple an evil regime. But if I am to be lumped in with rest of the pigs if the US… I guess. When you find my body, you’ll wonder how a human got in the pig mass grave.
Yep! That’s how it goes.
You can see something similar if you look at Ukraine threads talking about Russians, or Gaza threads talking about Israelis.
Humanity sure has a lack of humanity. Its… Really not fair. I’ve been against this type if evil all my life… And my reward is that get to die with them… It really isn’t fair… Like comicly unfair. For me nor for them. So why try anymore?
We continue to try because it is our duty to humanity. We struggle because it is right to struggle for goodness. And together we hope that by our struggles we can impact the world for the better and move towards an international community of those who struggle for goodness.
The evil wish us to despair and stop.
I… I see… Ill try, though, I will not be able to do much. Not because I don’t want to, but because my body has decided that a little is all I’m allowed to do.
One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
Just wish I knew how he copes with dispare.
Well, there’s a whole book about it. Matter of fact, the dude wrote many books on the topic.
Type “one must imagine Sisyphus happy” into your search engine of choice.
Did some reading. I’ve suffered most of my life and I’ve watched my own boulder roll down the hill many times. It seems Sisyphus didn’t have any physical conditions that made it harder each time. No wonder he is happy. He is struggling, but not in pain that isn’t self inflicted. So he can take his happy ass and keep on a pushing like a mother who continues to raise thier kids despite those kids draining everything they held dear. Or the a farmer who enjoys the tough summer days.
But, me, all my strength was taken from me via disease. All my stamina snapped away due to a body who aches to die but a soul that stays alive because my death would mean the sarrow for many.
As much as I sacrificed, as much as I suffer, and as much cry out in pain only known to a select few, there is no reward, there is no peace, and there is no happiness.
He can stay happy, he is a useful machine to those in power. Contact me when he figures out that the gods themselves are the evil ones.
Hmm. Well, it is pretty clear you didn’t do any reading.
Do you think the US needs to apologize just because of Trump?
Every History book is full of things that the US should already been accountable for
Oh I could give a laundry list of shit that America needs to apologize for.
And yet they did not.
The difference is, no one is placating us anymore… or no one should.
I used to be a pacifist. This goddamn regime killed that pretty damn quick.
An apology tour would be nice, but probably not terribly effective. Realistically, it will take at least a decade before the rest of the world will be able to start trusting the US again. We’ll need to see that they’ve learned their lesson and made the necessary changes such that the next few elections result in administrations that are trustworthy, and that they don’t just flip-flop back again after a president or two.
A decade? How about a generation? Or several?
I think he will be preoccupied with the downfall.
Let’s see.
- Economic and strategic oil reserves are declining fast, with seemingly no effort to conserve oil. Thanks to the war with Iran.
- The only reason the US is not in a recession yet is because of AI, which is not profitable, and destined to crash.
- Other nations are slowly divesting from US treasuries, limiting the financial options.
- Infrastructure has been rotting for decades, and it’s starting to break down.
- Climate change has started to produce dangerous heat waves and other extreme weather, further straining infrastructure.
Anyway, that’s what I can think of from the top of my head.
Sunny outlook
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and blamed when everything isn’t magically fixed before the next mid-terms.
It’ll take a century to repair the damage that has been done. So begins the American century of shame
They may talk one thing about unity and fixing stuff, but at their core they condone everything that’s happened
Why would they do that? That would be like taking responsibility for a previous administration’s fuckery. The best thing the next president could do would be to do everything they can force Red States to improve their education systems so that the next generation grows up able to think critically and have things like good judgment of character.
