Argentina played some of the dirtiest WC soccer I’ve ever seen. Grabbing the English goalie’s arms during a corner kick, regularly shoving opposing players in the back and grabbing their jerseys when they got the ball during a fast break. The referee only handed out a single yellow card, and let everything else pass.
Messi wasn’t doing it so overtly, but everyone else especially Simeone, were just blatant. Have no dog in this race, but that was just gross.
but everyone else especially Simeone
His dad was one of the dirtiest players to ever wear a football kit. I guess he must be proud.
They’ve always been like that. They poisoned a player once. FIFA did nothing.
That’s just CONMEBOL and CONCACAF football tbh. It’s kind of funny watching Europeans being all smug about Americans only watching football every 4 years, when it’s equally amusing seeing Europeans who aren’t aware that the American game tends to be more physical and chippy.
The English league is notoriously more physical than the other big leagues in Europe.
Argentina was no more physical than England that game. They were both trading fouls in the first half
Simeone should have been sent off, but more than anything I’m shocked that one Argentine backbencher didn’t get booked for excessive celebration lol
The second half was fantastic football though. Unfortunately England earned the loss
Argentina played some of the dirtiest WC soccer I’ve ever seen.
You have to watch the France - Paraguay game. Absolutely crazy. Paraguayan players literally punching, elbowing, karate chopping French players, no fouls called.
And Norway got their goal annulled because some little push.
FIFA corrupt
Agreed, watching the match was painful. Spain vs France was a much, much better game.
The refereeing in that game was arguably worse than the Argentina-England game. And this is coming from an England supporter.
Throughout this tournament, I’m legitimately baffled at some of the things that aren’t even considered fouls, according to the announcers. Like defenders literally tackling players to the ground. The announcer; that’s good clean play, no foul there, that’s great defense, good “no call” by the ref. Might as well start wearing helmets and pads and calling this football now…
Rule of thumb. If they touch the ball then it’s not a foul.
4 yellow cards, 1 for England, 3 for Argentina. Martinez, Romero, and De Paul all got carded, as did Anderson
Personally, I think the ref should have started handing them out right from the start to set the tone, but then I hate dirty football. I personally think you should beat the other team by playing better football
I can’t think of a nation with a bigger chip on their shoulder then Argentine. It’s kind of weird.
It’s absolutely bizarre, they have no legitimate claim to the islands. It’s like someone moving into your house when you are on holiday, and saying it’s theirs.
Plenty of countries have uninhabited islands as part of their territory, it doesn’t mean they’re up for grabs.
Had they not invaded there’s a good chance they would be Argentinian by now, which is the funniest part of the whole fiasco.
Gave Thatcher an easy election win, which is genuinely unforgivable.
It was never really about ownership of the islands as such. The real prize is for Argentine politicians to be able to forment nationalism against an external enemy, to distract and enthuse the enemy.
That’s the fucking part that blows my mind. They were about to get it back for fucking free. But the Military Dictatorship had to Military it up and then not only got their asses handed to them, but also gave Thatcher and Reaganomics the boost of a lifetime.
Every single time I see anything argentinian named “LAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS XYZ” it feels so fucking pathetic. They put it on a (now worthless) 50 peso banknote.
Buttsore from the fall of the third Reich.
How about Ireland, you American clown 😂
Totally different kettle of fish.
Also I’m not American, you eejit.
They are up there with Serbia and Russia
Sore losers even when they’re winning.
Opposing colonialism is being a sore loser now?
Please explain to me how this is opposing colonialism? They want to colonise the Falklands themselves.
They sure as fuck don’t belong to England
They sure are fuck belong to whoever the majority of inhabitants want it to belong to.
Just like Greenland.
They’ve belonged to them for over 200 years, I don’t see why they don’t.
Thatcher’s dead and buried, defending British imperialism isn’t going to get her to sleep with you
You’ve still not explained why Argentina should be allowed to colonise it and Britain shouldnt.
By all the same arguments that you could invoke to justify British colonization in the first place, assuming you’re not going for bullshit like “god gave our King that holy right”.
No one should colonise anything. But the difference between Argentina and The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (God save the King) is as vast as, well, the distance between London and any point in South America
Let’s recap islands history:
Deserted, no permanent population.
French set up a settlement.
English makes another, fight the French.
Spain buys French port, fights British.
Britain leaves.
Spain leaves.
Deserted, no permanent population.
Argentina sets up a settlement.
England comes back, fight them off.
Conclusion: “rightfully British”? The law seems to be whoever smacks the other in the teeth and takes it by force, so I suppose that’s accurate.
However, having had a settlement in the island, Argentina’s claim is as valid as the UKs, and they just got smacked in the teeth so my verdict is that Argentina takes over administrative control over the Islands up until such time as they meet again in a world cup.
Argentina didnt exist yet
Yes it did. Argentina’s “Venticinco de Mayo” revolution in 1810 made it independent, though a formal declaration happened only in 1816 (technically “the United provinces of the Rio del la Plata”, that’s being nitpicky).
Deserted, no permanent population.
Argentina sets up a settlement.
England comes back, fight them off.
🤔 Why did England come back? Are you saying Argentina won the war in the 1980s?
What no, I’m talking of the 1830s. The British came back and expelled the Argentinian settlement, and settled back in.
They came back because the Argentinians occupied it.
I see two different reasons for a claim for Argentina: that they settled when there was no permanent occupation, like the French and the British did originally, and that they inherited Spain’s claim (who purchased the French settlement) following their independence from Spain.
My post was mostly going for humour, but if we’re looking at it a bit seriously, England’s claim is a colonial one, a legacy from a bygone era. They will inevitably have to cede the islands.
Because “sail around the world and claim what you want” is fucking great if you’re playing Monopoly. Less great to sort out world affairs in a modern world.
But if the islands were empty before? Like there’s islands who have thousands of years of history of people living there. But then there’s also those who just doesn’t. Are they supposed to stay empty? All humans always bad, or something?
There weren’t “people” in the New World, so colonizing it was totally cool /s
There weren’t empty at the time of the British invasion.
There was an Argentinian settlement with a governor and a military garrison.
Eh, nobody else was using them for anything.
Does Argentina belong to the Spanish? Why do you think Argentina should take them? Who lived in Argentina before the Spanish came? Who lived in the Falkland islands, nobody.
It doesn’t matter who lived there first, because I’ll swear on the King’s life that the Brits weren’t first
Also, “who lived in Argentina before the Spanish came?” Maybe the people living there tens of thousands of years before European colonialism hit their shores?
No one lived there before Europeans arrived.
Really? Who were they? Is there any evidence whatsoever to back this claim up?
Are you saying there were no indigenous people in what is now Argentina when the colonists came? Just a simple search for “indigenous people of Argentina” delivers ample evidence that there were.
It does if the argument is about colonialism.
The islands are on the continental shelf.
OK, so?
There’s evidence of pre-Columbian Argentine peoples using the island.
Ah, the Israel school of territorial claim
Ah, yes, the fact that prehistoric Fuegians may have visited the Falklands surely means they’re the birthright of Argentina. Airtight anti-colonialist explanation.
It certainly doesn’t belong to the British.
They belong to me.
I have as good as a claim on the Islands as Argentina.
Funny how quick the anti-colonialism argument got abandoned when facts entered the picture.
Literally no one was there when France landed there, so you can either a) ask France and Spain for their thoughts, b) resurrect the Fuegians who visited and let them have it, forcibly deporting the people who’ve lived there for centuries, or c) disregard pragmatism and say they aren’t part of any country – either way, you can stop obnoxiously trying to defend Argentina’s baseless colonialist claim under the guise of “anticolonialism”.
To the extent it belongs to anyone, it obviously belongs to the UK far more than it does to the asshurt losers who flaccidly tried and utterly failed to assert sovereignty over it.
it obviously belongs to the UK far more
No land “belongs” to anyone, least of all to the asshurt losers who flaccidly tried and utterly failed to keep their empire alive
So pre-Argentine as well?
Isn’t that promoting colonialism?
Opposing would be free Malvinas or something like that.
Opposing would be free Malvinas or something like that.
The native population of the Falklands is arguably the British people living there. Who have clearly stated their preference to remain part of Britain. While Argentina’s plan to displace and deport them, and replace them with Argentinians, is literally genocide and colonialism.
Respecting the native inhabitants’ wishes is anti-colonialism.
You are aware that the first inhabitants of the Falklands were French? There was nobody to be colonised.
the first inhabitants of the Falklands were French?
😐
That’s certainly a theory.
Yeah they colonised some penguins… Got em
The island has been a traffic stop for seafaring people since prehistoric times. The Europeans ethically cleansed the natives, then spent three centuries contesting their control.
How do you know if it’s pre-historic…?
Who were these pre historic natives, and how did they manage to get there without boats?
Did you graduate from any form of schooling?
Are you mistaking penguins for humans
How do you know if it’s pre-historic…?
I would consult an anthropologist on that one.
Who were these pre historic natives
Evidence of prehistoric human activity in the Falkland Islands
Are you mistaking penguins for humans
I’m not mistaking them for the French, if that’s what you’re asking.
Careful. As in other debates concerning Latin America, magically people outside the region see all the good of colonialism. “Stop crying. ‘America’ is now the name of a country, even if stolen from your territory”. “Mexico lost half the country just as every other country lost territory in the past”. “The Falkand Islands belong to Europeans because they claimed them: simple as that”. “Well, if you didn’t want to lose sovereignty, maybe you should have been stronger against illegal tactics from the CIA and others”. Just precious.
It can’t be both a traffic stop and a home.
The dispute is over whether it should be a military base of a foreign power
You must be American
Wait, who colonized Argentina? And wait who was first to the Falkland Islands? I genuinely don’t understand why you think Argentina wanting the Falkland Islands has anything to do with opposition to colonialism.
Opposing colonialism is being a sore loser now?
Please recount to me the tales of how the Falklands war ended up going in the 1980s. I’m fascinated by your take.
Big “might makes right” energy 🙄
This is sad. I wanted to know your perspective, why not try again without deleting it?
Sure as hell the fascist military Junta wasn’t right. I can tell you that.
Genuinely can’t tell which militarily force you are supporting.
Argentina supports Israel and has an ancap president. They aren’t anti colonial.
Australian New Car Assessment Program? What do they have to do with this?
Anarcho-capitalist. The end state of muh free marketz morons.
Millei is not ancap. He hasn’t legalised jack shit, and is anti abortion. He’s just a conservative.
ah si claro, y el legaliza un montonazo de cosas como minarchista para sacar el gobierno de la libertad de la gente /s
sos boludo?
ah yes, and milei has legalised a BUNCH of shit like any minarchist, in order to take the government out of the way of the freedom of the people /s
Are you a dumbass?
Do you also think the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea is a democracy?
It’s not real colonialism. It’s Sparkling Regime Change.
What regime did the English change when they showed up to an uninhabited island a few hundred years ago?
Nature’s /s
The British came to the island for resupply and left again, much like prior native peoples who had been visiting the island for centuries. And the British, along with French and Spanish peers, decimated the nearby locals to make the islands exclusive
Later, British explicitly removed the island from Argentinian territorial control, back in 1833. But the islands have been changing colonial hands since the 1700s they’ve had visitors from the mainland going back to prehistoric times.
Claiming it’s uninhabitable after Europeans spent decades ethnically cleansing the mainland is cynical af.
It would be interesting to see them actually succeeding with conquering those islands just to see them do this:
Now they actually had to deal with their ruined socioeconomic problems instead of political rallying around a made up issue.they’ll sink their economy just like the rest of Argentina
Funny how Argentina never thinks to ask the people who actually live there.
Asking the people that currently leave there is not always the correct course of action though.
You want that land over there? Then you just have to kill/displace anyone currently living there, then fill it with your own citizens, then ask them. Easy land grab. Also a genocide.
You want that land over there? Then you just have to kill/displace anyone currently living there, then fill it with your own citizens, then ask them. Easy land grab. Also a genocide.
That’s virtually all of human history.
But not the Falklands, when the British arrived the population consisted of Penguins and nothing else.
Nah. For most of human history there were not referendums to “let them choose”. They just annexed the place.
The referendums is a relatively modern “invention”.
Except in this case there was nobody living on the island, so the “natives” are all of European descent and overwhelmingly (like 90+%) want to stay part of the UK.
1,513 voted yes to stay part of the UK overseas territories. 3 people voted no.
Even those no voters were not saying yes to Argentinian rule.
I believe some (or all) said they did it for a prank.
Yeah, that happens when you kick out the existing argentinian/spanish settlement (I don’t remember if it was before/after independence) and bring your own British settlers, as I explained before.
Idk what European descent has to do with anything. Many Argentinians are of European descent.
Yeah, that happens when you kick out the existing argentinian/spanish settlement
The islands were totally abandoned and relinquished when the British arrived.
They might answer the wrong way you see…
They did answer the wrong way for Argentina
It’s hilarious how one sided that is. Kim Jong Un style numbers.
And it makes complete sense. Falkland islands isn’t a colony. It was uninhabited before the british got there. It’s literally a freezing windy collection of hills in the middle of nowhere a few dozen british shepherds decided to populate and now rely on mainland UK for loads of stuff. So there’s no reason to say no.
Not to mention you look at Britain (with failings) and look at Argentina (mostly failings) and you’re not going to pick one of them to join.
Sort of the thing with war. If you’re on the losing side, it can get a little awkward when you try to stick around.
It has nothing to do with the people. Politicians and oligarchs wave a flag, as they do in any other country, to stir up the masses, but the whole thing is about fishing rights.
The fishing is bad there.
Oil has been discovered in the territorial waters, but this was long after the war and is as yet unexploited.
Basically, it’s a rallying point that successive corrupt and failing Argentine governments have deployed in an attempt to distract from domestic failings. That’s its value.
What season was this from?
Remember the shit that the officials threw at team captains who wanted to wear a rainbow-colored team captains band? That was two or four years ago. IIRC they threatened to ban the player or team for political messages on the field.
If this banner is not a ban-worthy offence, I don’t know it.
How many people actually live in the Falklands. Looks like there’s mostly nothing on that island.
I know Falklanders want to remain in UK control majority-wise. I also somewhat get why Argentina wouldn’t want what is essentially a potential base of operations off their coast (though realistically they couldn’t really do anything about it even if they did have sovereignty over it).
At the same time, i can’t really make sense of why the hell have the british fought to keep ahold of the Falklands. Maybe just because the british just love collecting shit that means nothing to them but have major significance to other nations’ people? I don’t really get it.
The UK actually was at one point, in the process of handing over administration to Argentina. The population petitioned parliament to stop it.
While I’m never going to accept that the Brits are over their horrific colonial past and have zero interest in The Falklands, there is a pretty strong moral argument from the indigenous population not wanting to become part of Argentina.
There‘s a bitter sense of irony here.
CIA - The World Factbook – Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) https://user.iiasa.ac.at/~marek/fbook/04/print/fk.html
The islands are the basis for the British’s claim to Antarctica
The Falklands have massive fishing rights over a massively rich area. It has nothing to do with a few thousand people and a few sheep. The UK couldn’t care less about the people. Same for Argentina. You don’t fight a war over a forlorn rock. Same with Gibraltar ( as the UK has shown with Brexit. Gibraltar is strategically important for Spain and the UK, nothing more. The people are just an excuse)
Fish stocks may be rich, but for half the year forget about taking a boat out in that.
Ah that explains it the best. Now I feel like Argentina has more claim than the UK.
eh, I don’t care about this honestly. actually i don’t think they even care, it’s just getting a rise out of the country they beat. Argentina had way worse problems with racism to worry about this imo.
Hell yeah! Stick it to the colonizing bastards…twice!
Yeah - Argentina was never colonised. They just natively look (mostly) quite European and speak Spanish.
They natively look and speak Spanish lmaoooo.
When they celebrate their independence day I guess they really mean independant of will and strength of character not independence from Spanish crown.
Argentina celebrates a colony becoming a country, just like the US does. It does not celebrate the exiting of a conquering race and the return to pre-colonial conditions and territories. There is a fundamental difference.
Argentina was never colonised.
It celebrates a colony becoming a country.
Biiiig think here.
Here’s an “/s” to put at the end of my first comment - I honestly didn’t think of the need to be so explicit that I was taking the piss with those sentences.
Source in case you’re wondering if the photo is real: www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jul/15/malvinas-is-argentinian-world-cup-holders-celebrate-win-over-england-with-banner
It’s a shame it has come to this, especially that Scaloni - Argentina’s coach - opposed the whole war undertones by saying that “it will be just a football match and nothing more” during a press conference.
No sabía que esta red estaba tan llena de fachos; qué decepcionante cómo defienden tan férreamente al colono inglés en las respuestas.
Encontré al Argentino!
¿Lo buscabas?
Tus abuelos fueron Nazis
No tenés idea de mi familia, ¿por qué harías una afirmación así? Ni que esto fuera Twitter.
“Facho” es cuando uno respeta la voluntad de los habitantes de las Falklands.
¿Respetás la voluntad de los sionistas que ocupan Palestina?
Los habitantes de las Falklands llevan siendo británicos desde hace 200 años. Nunca en la historia de las islas ha habido una población de origen argentino de un tamaño significativo.
Lo que tú propones es que Argentina ocupe las Falklands, en contra de la voluntad de sus residentes, y, en el peor de los casos, los reemplace con individuos de origen argentino. Eso es, por definición, colonialismo.
Asúmelo.
¿Y cuándo propuse yo cualquier cosa 🤣? Qué inútil debatir por internet.
Interestingly, Argentina have recently expanded their claim to the South Sandwich Islands and the UK’s theoretical claim of Antarctica. They don’t have any justification for it, they simply think they can get away with it as long as they claim victimhood if they don’t get it.
It’s pronounced Falklands.
Shall we talk about Argentine genocide of their black population now?
might be worth noting that a government having done this does not mean the people there actually support it
oh also this happened under a dictatorship backed by the US sooo
… Shall we? I’m on your side here, but Britain of all fucking places is not going to come out looking better afterwards
Let’s start with Jallianwala Bagh to give them a head start.
yeah lets hear the british opinion on this, it’s sure to be very valuable 
That is not a conversation the brits can win on
