And by immigrants I really mean immigrants: you don’t have the nationality and live in the country = you’re an immigrant.
I keep reading about the plans of parties to kick out all immigrants, stop letting in any, and some parties even advocate to revoke dual-nationalities and kick those people out too. I’ve never really understood what the point of it is and have trouble imagining what the effects of such actions would be within the country.
Homogeneity of the in-group.
There are people coming in, and they are different. Differences cause discomfort. There are two solutions to that. Accept them making the in-group more diverse, or gate keep and kick them out to keep the identity of the in-group.
You expect racist pieces of shit to think their actions through?
Underestimating racists is a serious mistake. Of course they have another agenda, but what they say and what they do are different things. Discussing what their messaging is and what they will ultimately do is informative to me. I don’t frequent racists and they aren’t united in their messaging, so reading what others have heard/read can give another aspect and paint a fuller picture. With that information, responses can be prepared or other actions taken.
I’m not suggesting anyone underestimate them. I’m just saying they’re going for the populist “they’re eating the pets” bullshit and probably don’t have an actual plan, like we’ve seen with the orange pedophile’s administration. It’s all theater to gain power.
I really do think you’re under-estimating them. It’s the same thing the Christian democrats did in Germany when they gave Hitler the position of prime minister: “give him enough rope to hang himself”.
They thought he was an idiot. Saying “racists don’t think their actions through” is under-estimating in my book. There were scientists, doctors, and other intellectuals that spear-headed the third reich. They though their actions through pretty well and were humungous racists and enemies of humanity.
Have they demonstrated that they do have a plan beyond “deport them all”?
“Bring back real families” aka outlaw queers and any “non-traditional” relationships, change what is taught at school, exit the EU, ban burkhas in public buildings (then public spaces), and so on. So yeah, shift the blame of why things aren’t going well to a new group.
That’s pretty much what I mean. They’re going for the low-hanging fruit. As far as dealing with actual problems? Nothing.
I’ve seen this happen in my home country. The xenophobes were voted in and they showed that they had no plan. This is the most incompetent government in the history of my country. They have no capability of dealing with real issues, all they can do is yell about “the great replacement” and demonize people who aren’t as white as the driven snow.
you need someone to explain racism to you?
There’s no need to be condescending.
I have heard quite recently from a podcast called “weird little guys” about the theory of the “outsider”. For political reasons, it is easy to frame a problem has being an “outsider” force doing said bad behaviour, since it is easy to blame solely on “outsiders” instead of addressing the problem. Since there are people that are still quite tribalistic on the way of thinking, this works for them. Since anything different = bad. And on this spectrum you find from racism to xenophobism (and no, don’t correct me to xenophobia, people are not afraid of outsiders, they hate them. Big difference)
Yea, In-Groups and Out-Groups. Also it is very important for the In-Group to openly show that the rules don’t apply to them, only to the Out-Groups. ICE killing without any repercussion is an example.
Having less immigrants around, I guess?
And then what?
You asked for the expected result, from the perspective of people that support such policies, I assume. They usually don’t tend to be the type to think very far ahead and are probably content with just … having less immigrants as the result. Not sure, I don’t think I’m racist enough to understand how these people think.
I’ve been told (verbatim):
The lower classes are struggling because immigrants have lowered the accepted pay below minimum wage. They accept any job and are willing to accept worse working conditions because it’s better than what they know. The local population thus cannot compete. Once the immigrants are kicked out, low paying jobs will be forced to increase their wages and working conditions to make it palatable to the locals.
It kind of makes sense, until you start asking questions like:
- why would the wages go up?
- why do you assume working conditions would get better?
- if the wages went up, wouldn’t the prices go up and the lower classes still struggle?
Then I just get “we’ll see, but first we have to get them out” at which point the discussion ends, because there’s no discussing when somebody’s changed their mind. I am curious though, maybe studies have been done on this? Maybe there are serious projects on the effects of banning immigration?
They don’t mean it. They just want someone for the working class to blame. They need immigrants to work for cheap and to only be here during their “productive” years and they need someone to blame for low wages and lack of local jobs.
Who is paying them under the table? Doesn’t that mean they are not paying their share of payroll taxes, wsib etc? Why not crack down on this?
Who let them into the country? Was it because they couldn’t find local people willing to take low paying jobs? This takes both the company and the government to make happen.
Will off shoring end? Not likely…
Will foreign companies be discouraged from investing in the country? Absolutely not.
If there is no one for the poorest and most exploited working class american to feel superior to, will he continue to buy into the ‘american dream’?
The actual response to that should be ‘okay, then let’s force those companies to pay better and improve working solutions for everyone including immigrants’.
But yeah you’re not gonna convince racists.
And magically they’ll argue against their first point right away.
“No, no, no, you can’t raise the minimum wage or everything will get more expensive! We need a class of people to be exploited so I can get my cheap cheeseburger!!”
Local companies cannot compete because of globalism, we must ban imports from China and then local companies can compete.
That’s the furthest I’ve gotten with these people. It’s why I’m interested in what kind of other ideas they have about how the world works.
There is no second step or “and then”. It’s just cheap rhetoric that gets people agitated, which yields votes. It’s called populism, among other things. The psychological dynamics behind it are similar to how the privileged never face their colonial history, either in formal education or in public discourse, since it’s awkward, unrelatable, but first and foremost unthinkable, that any culpability or responsibility for the state of society that the privileged deem inconvenient could lie with them.
Also it allows the government to be openly hostile to an out group to desensitize them to future violence against domestic groups that oppose fascism.
Definitely! A means of otherization/alienation/demonization.
You have to draw a line between illegals, legal and asylum seekers.
1st group: is just way of life. A country usually use these group as low class labor, they usually take up jobs what born citizens don’t want to.
2nd group: oh boy they are way better than your average citizen. They go through so many hoops and loops to get the legal status that a born citizen don’t even think about. And they are brave as heck too. Fresh blood, new ideas and diversity - usually skilled / educated jobs.
3rd group: they need help. They don’t want to be here. If things get better back home they will probably leave. Your country is doing the right things, they bring you new culture new blood.Immigration is good for the country. Look up what happened in the southern states when the government decided to stop all illegal and unregistered work on the fields. Spoiler: literal spoilage happened.
Closing off a country is a very bad idea. Just look at some global history (Japan comes to my mind).
And even North Korea is accepting some carefully selected new blood. Do you think they would do that if it is bad for them?the point is, supposedly, to get more citizens into entry-level jobs. what vill actually happen is you will lose massive numbers of low-income workers, and nobody will be willing to take their place because the wages are so low that only people that have to work to legally stay in the country take those jobs. nurses will disappear, so the health care and elder care sectors will suffer, and people will die. bus and train drivers will disappear, so public transit will suffer, and the people who rely on it might lose their jobs. farm workers will disappear, meaning grocery prices will go up and there will be shortages. truck drivers will disappear, meaning freight will slow down, which hampers productivity.
…and so on.
The short answer is that all the labor the immigrants are performing goes away. That includes a bunch of people who are literally only in the country in order to work, incidentally. The right wing populist’s alleged dream would be a real shit idea, who’s shocked.
Disclaimer: I disagree with all of the following, this is vehemently not my opinion.
Immigrants come “here” and take our stuff: jobs and social services. There are just so many jobs going around, so having immigrants means there are less jobs for the locals. There is just so much for social services in the budget, so having immigrants drains more of those resources. Removing immigrants would on one hand free up entry-level jobs, on the other lighten the load on social services such as hospitals, doctors, schools, pensions and benefits of many types.
That’s similar to what I’ve heard. I don’t think they understand just how many jobs are being done by immigrants and that immigrants aren’t all poor. An Italian in Finland is also an immigrant.
There are just so many holes in the discourse!
First, immigrants usually take unwanted jobs, jobs that are either low pay, high risk, low job security, or many other downsides. Then, obviously, they pay taxes “here”, so they contribute to the social net. Further, they on average use less of the social welfare programs. So none of their talking points is correct.
As an immigrant that “doesn’t look like an immigrant”: anti-immigration policies are almost all rooted in racism. Because somehow they never talk about me when they talk about banning all immigrants. Not the highly educated European. It’s “the others” that are the problem… [rage]
And about “immigrants stealing jobs”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_for_Britain
To put in the words of my favorite 4chan post
they think he can reopen the gypsum factory where daddy used to make $20 an hour, as if Bumfuck, USA could even work through their meth withdrawals long enough to fucking perform the job adequately.
Basically they claim that think that if immigrants go then lower class workers will be compensated better. But this is a lie. They don’t actually believe this because they don’t want labor to ever be compensated better. The goal is just to get everyone’s consent in oppressing a minority because that gets people to overlook their own exploitation.
Expected by who?
anybody. you even
To me it’s just an easy way to control people. Trump’s admin doesn’t want all immigrants gone. They just know it’s easy to make people angry and manipulate what they vote for when they are angry.
Permenant worker Visas are up drastically in 2026 from previous years. Temporary work visas and travels for immigrants are occuring all over. But people like Trump don’t care about the racism/division/mistreatment anyone else will ever encounter but himself.
So long as he can lie and keep repeating himself over and over and people believe it, that’s all that matters for him.
If you tell someone fentanyl deaths per year ~doubled under Trumps 1st admin, and ~halved under Bidens admin most voters would have gawked at that and called it a lie when voting started in November 2024. Because they were told a million times he is tough on crime, and that the drug problem was from immigrants.
Yet… All the facts never matched up. The candidates in my state right now are constantly running ads about how they are going to fight violent crime by deporting illegal immigrants who forced themselves into our country. (We are a landlocked state, like 1200 miles from the border). And all statistics show migrants are less likely to commit violent crimes. So you would actually do better at reducing violent crimes by looking elsewhere for the cause.
But why would they care about being wrong, all they have to do is keep repeating others lies as if they are true, and get a quick easy racist base they can build a campaign around.
Just this last week, Microsoft fires 4,000+ employees… And asks the government to get approval for 2000+ visas for immigrants to fill positions.
Another fun one is teachers. I don’t know a single state in the Union that would vote to lower teachers wages if they were asked individually/democratically. Yet more than half the voters voted to dismantle the department of education…
So if the DOE pays 12-14% of public education, de-funding that means either the Republicans were voting to INCREASE their state and local taxes to offset all that, or they were voting to decrease teachers wages…
None of it adds up other than getting a group of people angry, and making them dumber by agreeing with a group than thinking for themselves. They’re giving litter boxes to kids in classrooms so they can be furries! The immigrants are eating the pets! They are forcing our kids to be gay! It doesn’t need to be grounded in reality, once you have enough of them mad at something, you just throw other absurd shit in there and people will accept it more willingly.
It’s not actually about immigrants it’s about control.
Immigrants are the easiest group to remove rights from. If a government can remove rights from a group, they can keep expanding that group to fit anyone in it that they don’t agree with.
You see the early stages of this on how they threaten to send ice agents to go after politicians who are minorities.
I think the logic can be accurately summarized by:
- Kick out all the immigrants
- ???
- Profit
We know the meme, and this is the real life embodiment.
