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Pretty tone def whinging about cancel culture.
Icevpn has been great for me.
They seem to be on the inertia as a strategy train. Most users won’t have heard about this so they’re not in danger of losing them. A few who have won’t abandon ship because it’s a pain. And the rest they seem to tolerate losing. That’s unfortunate, say I who isn’t even their customer. I would have thought they do more but maybe another two weeks of ended subscriptions can lead them to reason and get rid of Daniel.
What is a good alternative to Mullvad? My subscription just ended yesterday.
The Hated One has a video explaining his take on what Mullvad has done, and he gives 2 good alternatives to Mullvad. He also has other videos comparing VPN services in terms of privacy. He’s very thorough.
Which 2 did he recommend?
I would be wary of the claims of any company implementing a mixnet as part of their VPN. The anonymity that Tor provides depends on the basic principle that is is unlikely that your exit node and entry node will be able to collaborate. If all nodes in the network are run by one company then that basic assumption is broken from the start.
Thank you Safing I have not heard of. ivpn not great for southern hemisphere (but do appear ethical) Tor I haven’t looked into for a long time I looked into nym not long ago and left myself this note ‘Pricey if doing per month, not if doing for year. Lack of transparency, shit website. Dodgy feel.’
If all nodes in the network are run by one company then that basic assumption is broken from the start.
That just degrades it to a normal VPN. Allowing others to join the mixnet, gives it a path to more decentralization. But these things have to start somewhere
Love that guy, but that’s the only source I have which at least feels objective, but one source, especially a YouTube video, isn’t enough. Someone got like scientific/investigative data on this?
If you want something European, I’d throw AirVPN in the mix. I went there and never to Mullvad. And now I’m glad I didn’t and at the same time I’m looking forward to hearing inevitably what corpses my current provider has in the cupboard.
I dislike Proton, which I quit after the CEO praised 47 on his big tech regulation and before they handed the email account of some environmental activist over to the authorities, in France IIRC. They want to be your replacement for Google and keep pushing more services at obscure subscription levels at you. In terms of VPN, they were good though.
But the handing over data from a email account is not a choice for them its a legal requirement.
Windscribe
iVPN
There isn’t one with feature or operations parity and a similar history of success.
If you are actually concerned for your safety or legal status or something then I wouldn’t switch from them.
If you’re trying to accomplish something else there are good alternatives. Air for example is a great piracy vpn but I wouldn’t trust it for my own safety.
Proton
They had a similiar episode as far as I remember, don’t have a link right now tho
They praised a single Trump policy. Which isn’t nearly the same as donating to the Nazi party.
I like mullvad and will continue to use them, but this was a terrible response. ÖrP is such a strange party. It’s nationalistic, but also Marxist, somehow. I haven’t read all their policies, but I dislike their immigration policy, and the way they act generally. They’re loud and provocational.
Having the correct class analysis but trying to keep the system just split the classes by ethnicity instead of overthrowing it is exactly what the Nazis proposed…
National Socialism you say?
The “Marxist” bit for ÖrP is like “Marx said that under capitalism wokers are alienatied cogs in a machine therefore we should have full control over the reproduction of none pure swedes, through mandatory birth control, so thay we can churn out cogs to the swedish industrial machine, just like Marx said”. That is the type of “Marxism” they talk about in their pod.
Do you have any information where I can read more about this? I don’t want to listen to their podcast.
https://expo.se/ is probably a good start. You can look for Markus Allard, the head of that party. He shares a podcast with Malcom Kyeyene. For example their article here, Swedish, talks about the close connections between these circles (albeit Allard and ÖbP is not the focus there) and white nationalism https://expo.se/fordjupning/det-varas-for-rod-nationalism/
Thank you :3
They try to distance themselves from it as much as they can, but at the end of the day he is using money he obtained from Mullvad (us) in ways some people don’t like. The only true way to stop it, is to stop giving Mullvad money, or for the CEO to leave the company and sell all shares and stakes… Which I don’t see happening.
What VPN would you recommend which outs privacy first but also has good enough speed and ping to use as daily driver for HD videos and casual gaming?
There are definitely not plenty of them.
Are they trying to disrtance themselves, though?
Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it. It most likely was a bad idea; most things where there are a multitude of conflicting opinions necessarily are. But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.
But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.
need? At what point does a society NEED to test racism to see if it should remain?
When will these societies decide that they tested it long enough?
even if you do believe in freedom of expression and information, why would you donate to a fascist group which have been using suppression of expression - either it is attacking immigrants, pushing age gate laws, or attacking trans rights - as their path to power?
It is so shocking to me that people trust these businesses at all and believe that you gain privacy by paying someone to centralize all your internet traffic thru their servers. Conceptually this doesn’t make sense. You have no actual verification that they don’t log, port mirror or honey pot. Even if they don’t now you have no guarantee they aren’t going to one day flip the switch and turn it on or sell their business to someone who will.
Hey I made a big reply about this to someone else a while back but if you trust the news and what the police say then mullvad is safe.
A long time ago they had port forwarding and pedophiles were allegedly using it to trade csam back and forth. Interpol got together with Swedish cops and did a warrant raid and came back empty handed. They had every legal ability to record user data and wiretap the servers but were unable to. Eventually Interpol pressured cdns and major providers to blacklist mullvad servers and rather than give up user information mullvad stopped offering port forwarding. A lot of people left them because of it.
If you don’t trust what the cops say or what mullvad does then you still gotta see mullvad as safe.
Why would the police put pressure on cdns to drop mullvad traffic if it’s a honeypot? That doesn’t make sense. If it’s a honeypot then why would mullvad drop port forwarding and lose tons of customers who rely on it for piracy? That also doesn’t make sense.
As far as why anyone would ever pay a company to act as a proxy vpn, it’s to anonymize the traffic. Some vpn companies don’t have “accounts” with username (tied to email) and passwords, it’s just one secret, the account number. They might also take anonymous cash payment as well. In that case they can’t really do anything to give you up because they don’t know who you are.
Like anything else it’s a negotiation of what degree of trust you accept. Many small metal shops around here are run out of a commercial type building next to the owners house. My favorite small fabricator is in a little building nowhere near his house (I found out because the neighbors dog was running loose and came up to get a pet and said “is this your dog?” And he said “I don’t even live on this road”). If you trust the people you do business with to not bother you at home then there’s no problem with them knowing your home address. If they never know it to begin with then you don’t need to consider or accept that level of trust.
Given that I avoid services that require subscription, Mullvad had been off my list for years already, but this is just sad to hear. And even more now that the best are proven to be Nazis by act or by association, so I prefer to just keep using Proton’s free tier for the time being and being more a hindrance than a money source for them as possible.
they had “free” services like DNS and a decent browser.
i’m using quad9 now.
I don’t see in the page linked where do they provide a free VPN service.
quad9 is the DNS service i replaced mullvad DNS with. It’s not a VPN.
I have had a Mullvad account for many years. I now have an iVPN acc. It’s a very simple choice for me. If Mullvad’s success results in funding far right racists then I don’t care to assist that happening
Technically Mullvad didn’t fund them, it was there CEO who did it partially with money he got from working at Mullvad.
Read the blog article. They don’t even dare to call a cat a cat. Normalizing racism is endorsing racism
I have about 50 days left on my Mullvad subscription, so I figured I’d wait it out and see how they handled it. Going by this latest Mullvad response, I think I’ll probably have an IVPN account soon too.
Not gonna give them a single cent from now on.
Y’all are honestly crazy to grill Mullvad for some dudes behavior. He doesn’t even work at the company. And they’re basically saying, “we aren’t the thought police. What he donated to isn’t what we stand for he made that decision as his own person using his own free will”
And you guys are like “FUCK THEM”
Insane. Go ahead and use other VPNs that have never had their headquarters raided and PROVEN not to keep logs.
Does anyone know of a single other VPN company still owned by the original team that has done that? Roll the dice on the trustworthiness of your VPN if that’s something you’re comfortable with, your choice.
He doesn’t even work at the company
He does, he’s the CEO and owner.
And you guys are like “FUCK THEM”
I think people just don’t want their money being used to fund far right extremism. As is their right.
Are you suggesting that people are somehow morally obligated to continue funneling money into a company when they know for a fact their money will be used for evil?
I mean shit my tax dollars fund evil every single day and the only company I know of that will actually keep me semi safe from my government is mullvad.
I just wish some other VPN service got raided like that and then I could comfortably switch but I’m way too paranoid for that I want a proven track record.
You’re legally obligated to pay taxes and you have some say in how they’re spent in the form of state and federal elections (or your country’s equivalent). If you’re doing everything in your power to make sure that money isn’t used for evil then ultimately you can’t be faulted for what happens beyond that point.
But on the other hand you’re voluntarily choosing to pay Mullvad knowing full well that your money will be used to prop up far right extremism and you have no say in it beyond your choice to give them your money.
How you rationalize that to yourself is a personal matter but it certainly and absolutely does not give you a moral high ground over people who choose not to fund evil.
Both are non negotiable for me. I don’t want my countries taxagwncy to steal my shit and throw me in prison for non compliance.
I also don’t whatever surveillance company the same government is using tracking my movements and habits like I’m a terrorist for my anti fascist viewpoints among other things. So in that way, I also can’t compromise on the only vpn service that’s been proven by police involvement not to keep logs despite if the owner is an asshole or not.
I guess the mods can remove this comment too for whatever reason (ah, its an .ml) but I am still allowed to have an opinion. Fair on not having the high ground though I’m unwilling to compromise on my privacy even for the greater good of this situation so it seems.
Yeah, like its not like the product is bad, it’s the best product on the market. Ruling out Mullvad here is simply a boycott.
To be honest, the current government coalition is worse than Örebropartiet. Sverigedemokraterna are nazis too, and they fund disinformation campaigns across the internet and take away internet and IRL privacy. The conservatives’ immigration minister’s son is literally in a brownshirt gang. If you’re going to boycott Mullvad over this, you might as well boycott all of Sweden.
Damn the radical woke left with their impossibly high expectation of basic human decency.
We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance. Even when some in our sphere of collaborators have advocated for actors and views that have personally and severely affected the founders and their family members, this has not stood in the way of cooperation.
The leopards that ate other people’s faces will definitely not eat my face too
What are the odds that the others are closeted fascists as well? UK the kind
we don’t agree with the right wingers but immigration is an issue and only they are addressing it, so I’ll keep to myself and not speak much
I’ve read the blog of the other guy… What a mutilation of marxism…
What’s not to love, they simply want a national version of socialism. I’m sure that’s never come up before.
And he called himself an anarchist when he’s a textbook example of social darwinist, Armstrong type even. My anarchist brothers and sisters, when will you step up to not let them take the brand and banners of your hands?
Not even that. They straight up endorse capitalism over public work.
It’s like national liberal socialism
Its easy, just let racism blind you and kick immigrants out of the working class.
To be fair the 30 hour work week is a campaign promise from the real socialist parties in Sweden
vpn company be normal for 1 second challenge [impossible]
