The Internet kind of eliminates our interaction with society and other people, or it sterilizes it, it something. Less personal, and so easier to not care about people, and this harder to feel connection and get to stages 4, 5, and 6. By design, of course.
People say this type of thing all the time. But really, if someone can’t get along with people online, they can’t do it offline either. The problem with the Internet is that the type of people we all avoid in real life are all online.
I dunno, I have admittedly gotten into arguments on the internet, but the only people I argue with in real life are my friends. I think it’s very easy to dehumanize text on a screen, and like I said I’m guilty of it, not a perfect person (thanks hoobastank, what a fucking stupid name for a band), and interacting with people in your everyday life changes everything. I think, in general, a lot of racism and xenophobia comes from the unknown, and online interaction is basically the unknown.
I think I’ve said enough times on here that the world has gotten too connected, and that there’s a lot of benefit to be had from interacting with the people in your own community. I’d go to war for New Jersey, or the town I live in, because I have so many connections with those people that ascend our stupid colors or our stupid beliefs. You just won’t find that online.
And the problem is that I feel it’s by design. Dial the clock back more than 20 years, I remember building some pretty strong friendships with some random posters on ebaums forums. Eventually we were skyping at night, and I was like a 15-16 year old kid, and we had men, women, black white yellow, really bridged a lot of gaps, and I dunno, is it because the Internet was less sterilized, more “go out there and have fun” than it is now?
I think that Facebook started it, with it’s algorithms, but everything we see is curated, and I just can’t help believe that my anger is bespoke, and that’s fucking stupid. But there’s no way to stop it, save logging off.
I think that Facebook started it, with it’s algorithms, but everything we see is curated, and I just can’t help believe that my anger is bespoke, and that’s fucking stupid. But there’s no way to stop it, save logging off.
I don’t use Facebook, but here, Reddit, and YT, I’ve found that the algorithms are just a mirror of who I am. If I comment or read a post in r/hitman or r/boomershooters I get more posts from those subs. If I watch a Brandon Tenold video or Oddity Archive on YT, I get more movie review recommendations and such.
I think one way to stop it, is to have no anger. The algorithm is a stupid machine. If you watch a video about Nazis, that’s like typing Nazis into Google. It’s going to give you Nazis. If you watch a video about cats, then your anger is no longer bespoke, and your joy and happiness is curated for you.
Thanks for linking that. I learned something important today.
I don’t think there’s anything here that suggests that a person should ascend this hierarchy. Rather, I think our observations fit the contrary: people clearly can hang out indefinitely at any stage. I suppose it comes down to environment, observation, and motivation to move up a stage. If a person’s circumstances never challenge a given world-view, how else would it change?
What I take away from this is still very positive. What I can see is that a person is unlikely to regress once they understand a more advanced framing for social morality. Each stage carries additional nuance that is incompatible with the more broadly defined stage that precedes it. For example, stage 4 “Law & Order” is incompatible with stage 5 “Social Contract” in that people that adhere to the social contract are typically lawful, but break the law when the law itself (or its enforcement) is unethical. Once a person sees and comprehends that, the evidence is hard to dismiss and a blanket “the law is the law” framing is rendered untenable.
Yes, it seems to me you should overcome stage 4 at some point, or the world won’t really make sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development#Stages
The Internet kind of eliminates our interaction with society and other people, or it sterilizes it, it something. Less personal, and so easier to not care about people, and this harder to feel connection and get to stages 4, 5, and 6. By design, of course.
People say this type of thing all the time. But really, if someone can’t get along with people online, they can’t do it offline either. The problem with the Internet is that the type of people we all avoid in real life are all online.
I dunno, I have admittedly gotten into arguments on the internet, but the only people I argue with in real life are my friends. I think it’s very easy to dehumanize text on a screen, and like I said I’m guilty of it, not a perfect person (thanks hoobastank, what a fucking stupid name for a band), and interacting with people in your everyday life changes everything. I think, in general, a lot of racism and xenophobia comes from the unknown, and online interaction is basically the unknown.
I think I’ve said enough times on here that the world has gotten too connected, and that there’s a lot of benefit to be had from interacting with the people in your own community. I’d go to war for New Jersey, or the town I live in, because I have so many connections with those people that ascend our stupid colors or our stupid beliefs. You just won’t find that online.
And the problem is that I feel it’s by design. Dial the clock back more than 20 years, I remember building some pretty strong friendships with some random posters on ebaums forums. Eventually we were skyping at night, and I was like a 15-16 year old kid, and we had men, women, black white yellow, really bridged a lot of gaps, and I dunno, is it because the Internet was less sterilized, more “go out there and have fun” than it is now?
I think that Facebook started it, with it’s algorithms, but everything we see is curated, and I just can’t help believe that my anger is bespoke, and that’s fucking stupid. But there’s no way to stop it, save logging off.
So yeah. I dunno. We’re doomed, I guess.
I don’t use Facebook, but here, Reddit, and YT, I’ve found that the algorithms are just a mirror of who I am. If I comment or read a post in r/hitman or r/boomershooters I get more posts from those subs. If I watch a Brandon Tenold video or Oddity Archive on YT, I get more movie review recommendations and such.
I think one way to stop it, is to have no anger. The algorithm is a stupid machine. If you watch a video about Nazis, that’s like typing Nazis into Google. It’s going to give you Nazis. If you watch a video about cats, then your anger is no longer bespoke, and your joy and happiness is curated for you.
Thanks for linking that. I learned something important today.
I don’t think there’s anything here that suggests that a person should ascend this hierarchy. Rather, I think our observations fit the contrary: people clearly can hang out indefinitely at any stage. I suppose it comes down to environment, observation, and motivation to move up a stage. If a person’s circumstances never challenge a given world-view, how else would it change?
What I take away from this is still very positive. What I can see is that a person is unlikely to regress once they understand a more advanced framing for social morality. Each stage carries additional nuance that is incompatible with the more broadly defined stage that precedes it. For example, stage 4 “Law & Order” is incompatible with stage 5 “Social Contract” in that people that adhere to the social contract are typically lawful, but break the law when the law itself (or its enforcement) is unethical. Once a person sees and comprehends that, the evidence is hard to dismiss and a blanket “the law is the law” framing is rendered untenable.