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Smart people didn’t shrug, they voted against it. Idiots and republicans shrugged and let this happen.
My partner’s parents when we explained some of Project 2025 to them:
Oh, Trump wouldn’t do all that. You know, he used to be a Democrat.
Yep, that’s the idiot segment.
from a guy paying for twitter, eh?
It’s on Threads
I am amazed every day that people willingly use a Nazi website.
It’s depressing to see how far along it is: https://project2025.observer/
Agree to disagree - it’s only depressing if you pay attention to reality! (/s)
Dems at the convention when they see Pro-Palestine protestors outside.
Kamala Harris stated that while she anticipated many of Donald Trump’s presidential actions, she was deeply surprised by the widespread “capitulation” of institutions, lawmakers, and corporate leaders who failed to act as guardians of democracy.
Yup. Almost like corporate leaders were never guardians of democracy.
That has to be a lie. If we knew what would happen, how could she not.
“But he said he didnt know about/disavowed Project 2025… how can he be following it so closely?!” - Typical conservative voter, who will absolutely, despite their outrage, vote again on an illegal third term
Most people didn’t read it. For or against
But the known liar told us he knew nothing about Project 2025. Why wouldn’t we believe him?
There is a president that tried to overthrow the elected government, is a convicted criminal, is openly corrupt and don’t get me started on what he did to children! And no one does something! It’s insane.
A couple people have tried to do something.
I got called a conspiracy theorist a lot by most people I know when I talked about project 2025 and the open plan of theological fascism the GOP was planning to enact before it all started being rolled out.
I don’t get called a conspiracy theorist these days.
Project 2025 was just the latest iteration whereby they redrafted their schemes.
This was all outlined back in 1971 at the Business Roundtable that made the long game to overthrow the republic in all but name that has led us here.
Huh so that’s WTF happened in 1971
Would you mind sourcing a link or giving me some good search keywords? Our tech overlords are making searching for this not a lot of fun.
Since 2021 I can’t find all sorts of articles I had previously. Even with the publication, date of publication, name of title, and author name, in articles I effortlessly found prior to 2021. I feel like I am the only one angry about all of this sometimes.
I learned a lot from the guys on collapse on the big social media group reddick there. I can try to find a link but idk about the details I had writing on it saved on my old laptop that froze up on me.
I can’t find anything either, except a facebook post that might mention it but I am not on facebook as such and it’s not a good source. That is the only hit on the search that even pretended to find what I was looking for, the rest are purposefully not what I searched for.
I know it can work better, because it did work better. Anyway I will reply again if I find something, but if on reddick try the collapse sub and sound them out on it on an economic type post and they will give you more links that you could read.
Thanks for the pointers.
Yeah, I am infinitely frustrated by the enshitification of search on all platforms. There are some awesome videos that I can no longer find on Youtube, scientific publications that are super difficult to find now. Oddly, the CIA government site’s search still works great for declassified documents.
The only political thing in that regard I remember is the Citizens’ Commission to Investigate the FBI. The business roundtable was created 1972 so maybe they are referring to a previous organization? However the Business roundtable has a wikipedia entry that’s already grim
I think they are referring to the Powell Memo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.#Powell_Memorandum_(1971)
This video connects some more of the dots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgYkde3o2Xw
Hitler wrote what he is going to do. People didn’t take him serious and everyone thought oh I get an advantage. Oh this doesn’t happen to me. Later when it happened to them it was too late as the people who it didn’t happen to didn’t wanted to help because it didn’t happened to them.
Conservatives (Germany ca. 1933): Hitler will only throw the enemies of the German people in jail, so I’m safe. Gestapo, some time later at their door: Hallo. Conservatives: Oh no, who could have seen this coming?
Moral of the story: The leopard bites every face.
“You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth”
Conservatives (Germany 2026):
Churchill took him very seriously after having read it, and it served him well in the long run.
“if you read project 2025…”? The faq makes you think maga voters can read? How were they to know?
Trump: We’re going to do project 2025.
Trump: It’s a good plan but we might have to workshop some things
Trump: I’ve never heard of it before in my life
Media: He’s never heard of it before in his life.
The next step is realizing that Obamacare, Build Back Better, and pretty much every “win” from the “resistance” is written by or re-packaged from the exact same group of people.
The ACA was never what was really wanted, ever, but it did make a difference for many people. So many that even conservatives will say they hate Obamacare, but the government better not touch their ACA. They are so close to getting it, yet never will. And we almost didn’t get the “terrible” ACA, so imagine where we’d be. It’s not a win, but it’s not a lose either. It was a compromise with conservatives to get some improvements while the door was open for getting the votes, and that slammed shut the rest of his two terms. (thanks Mr. zombie Mitch)
it did make a difference for many people
By what metric?
I hear it repeated a lot with many anecdotal examples and rationalizations but by every quantifiable metric healthcare post 2010 is much worse than before.
Just the pre-existing conditions rule alone is huge. The wikipedia article is a good resource vs. just anecdotal, and it looks like the general opinion is the ACA was just a start and people wanted more adjustments to make it better. Republicans of course voted over 60 times to try and repeal it, without ever offering anything better.
The metrics you’re talking about might not be from the ACA effects, but from other issues hitting the health care industry over time. There’s mention of lots more people becoming insured with the act with a surge in doctor visits, but then later years that dwindled because the facilities couldn’t support the demand because of closures or not enough staff. That’s not the ACA.
the pre-existing conditions rule alone is huge.
Which has had what effect?
Better health outcomes for those with “pre-existing conditions”? Because that isn’t the case, and unless diabetes suddenly changed to be more aggressive and deadly I don’t see any externalities that would explain the data. Do you?
Better financial outcomes? There was a small period between 2013-2018 where this was arguably true, for specific people. But it does show in general trends enough to maybe be true for a time.
The metrics you’re talking about might not be from the ACA effects, but from other issues hitting the health care industry over time.
Yes, and disentangling those is hard. However, the implicit assumption you’re starting from is that the externalities were significantly greater. I would agree that is somewhat true for COVID and it’s downstream effects, but there isn’t anything else I can really point to. Do you have something?
that dwindled because the facilities couldn’t support the demand because of closures or not enough staff. That’s not the ACA.
You sure? Because I can draw a pretty straight line between the ACA and private equity gutting healthcare facilities for the tax credits and direct payments that were promised by the heritage foundation.
Lol. Shit hole country.
The ACA was never what was really wanted
We sure about that? Seems the people in control of the party were quite pleased to pass it and nothing more. Also, how many times can Democrats pre-compromise then compromise again before people get suspicious?
But remember that bOtH sIdEs SaMe, at least according to some. Sorry, I know it’s heartbreaking to keep saying that, but it’s true (that people say that). Some people say things that are going to legitimately get millions (billions even?) of people killed, and entire nations (already) toppled. Just so we can eventually become more open to becoming “communist” like… (checks notes) North Korea.
Mind you, I doubt that they actually believe it, but they do keep saying it nonetheless.
I am reminded that a deer freezing upon being confronted with headlights is actually a somewhat decent evolutionary strategy: moving would draw immediate attention to them, especially against a backdrop that they can blend into. And if they get caught and eaten well… at that point it was basically inevitable anyway, so some slim chance at avoiding that gruesome end is better than an even tinier, basically non-existent one.
It is true that people say it, but it’s far more true that they are such a trivial number of people that like North Korea that the fact that they come up so frequently in these conversations feels like such a misplace of energy.
If you want to criticized someone for being deer in the headlights of project 2025, maybe consider the democratic establishment, that watched idly by while republicans broke norms, and arguably laws, to pack the supreme court. Inventing new conventions for reasons why they can’t cede a single seat as the unelected body of supreme rule found radical new ways to insert themselves into established law.
All while keeping the facade that the courts are a neutral body that simply arbitrates, and that their decisions are in good faith.
Which side is anti genocide in the middle east? Which side is anti war?
Your foreign policy is uniparty, and it features exclusively death and destruction of millions of civilians.
Death to America.
Which side is anti genocide in the middle east? Which side is anti war?
Good point, let’s reelect the convicted rapist pedophile
