A few days ago, the U.S. government sanctioned A/I for supporting “extreme far-left antifa terrorists”. If you didn’t know, A/I is an antifascist and anticapitalist group based in Italy, and they host a lot of services (like email, website hosting, etc.) run through donations. Their policy states that they are against racism, sexism, militarism, homophobia, and transphobia, and you have to agree to those principles to use their services. Their website and mailing server has been taken down, and unfortunately, that also means my email no longer works. It’s kind of insane how quickly the American government can take down internet services they don’t like. A/I has denied all of the allegations by the Trump admin, and rightfully so, they’re just a digital services provider who respect your privacy and are against fascism and bigotry.
relevant link if you want to read more about this: https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10076
I still need to use email, so what’s a good alternative email provider that doesn’t profit off of my data? I have used Disroot in the past and had good experiences with their services, so they are currently my fallback. I have ruled out Proton and Tuta, as neither support IMAP properly.
If you declare an antifascist organization as terrorism you are outing yourself, mate.
The Trump regime is proud of that. They are happy to do all the signalling that they are dill blown fascists short of admitting directly to it. That way there’s enough “reasonable doubt” that they can sell their snake oil to idiots.
You are infantilizing the fascist underbelly that supports trump.
The “reasonable doubt” isn’t to confuse “idiots”. These “idiots” see through it just like you. The “reasonable doubt” is to give the “idiots” cover against their neighbors, friends, and family.
They know very well what they are voting for, but they are cowards. All fascists are cowards. They will not fight unless they have overwhelming advantage.
Their ideologies stem from deep fear, better described as a life enveloping terror, of everything. For the fascist to feel safe, all things must be dominated or destroyed.
How many children would still see their trump voting parents if the parents said openly “I voted for trump because he is going to kill the people I don’t like”? How many who still see that family member now, wouldn’t under those conditions?
How about last term? How many would have left that person in 2016?
How many neighbors would live next to a person who openly calls for genocide in the neighborhood?
The “reasonable doubt” is cover for these hateful, destructive people. It does not confuse them. They know what they are doing.
Oh for certain, there’s a large subset of the population (around 30% at a guess) who, much like Stephen Miller, are afraid of their own shadows and thus wish to exterminate anything that casts a shadow. For them, the reasonable doubt is purely a facade. They are fully Nazis, they just won’t admit it publicly (but even that social veil has started to crumble)
There’s also a large portion of the population who is largely unaffected by or uninterrested in politics. Here, reasonable doubt is among the tactics employed to make them look away, allowing the Nazis to maintain control. For the most part, these are the “both siders” who prefer a false peace through inaction, or the “apoliticals” who assume Pink Floyd and RAtM sing about the washing machine.
If you ask me, both groups are idiots. They’re powerful idiots but nevertheless they’re the lowest percentile that humanity has to offer.
They are trying really, really hard to pretend they are happy to do that, but the fact that none of their smiles actually look happy could be considered evidence for a lack of happiness.
I’m antifascist, I want the death of all Indians (sorry Indians), I want to create a totalitarian regime ruled by complete degenerated person and I’m actively pursuing my goals. If you oppose me, it means you are a fascist.
Those aren’t my views. I wanted to show that calling yourself antifascist doesn’t mean everyone who is against you is fascist.
I want to create a totalitarian regime
Then you’re not antifascist.
But I say I’m antifascist
But you’re not, and anyone with at least two brain cells can see that.
Trump calls “Antifa” a terrorist organization. “Antifa” is not an organization at all. It’s a broad term for people who call themselves anti-fascists, and rigidly police each other’s use of that term.
We are not talking about some abstract antifa, only this single organization.
You argue that Trump is bad, because he is against organizations, that call themselves antifascist.
I wanted to show that calling yourself antifascist doesn’t mean that people who are against you are fascist.
Fascism is the desire for a totalitarian state where (in general) the population must put the state first above everything. Let’s see here:
I want to create a totalitarian regime ruled by complete degenerated person and I’m actively pursuing my goals.
Well, that sounds pretty fascist to me. Did you mix the two words up?
I think you missed my point
In addition to A/I, other groups have also been designated as “global far-left terrorists”, like the UK-based Palestine Action (who are against supplying arms to Israel and their genocide in Gaza)
Yes, being opposed to terrorists is terrorism.
So now anyone who does anything other than sitting back and doing nothing is a terrorist
[A/I] are against fascism and bigotry.
There you have it, that’s the definition of terrorism in America in 2026
I guess we’re ignoring all the labeling of antifa as a terrorist organization?
Anything that is mildly popular that goes against the regime will always be labeled “terrorism”
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Ok so at first we have to look at why they are getting sanctioned and why not let’s says someone like Mullvad is getting sanctioned. Here is the official reasoning:
The difference here seems to be that they explicitly know what their “customers” are doing (e.g. terrorism/energy infrastructure sabotage) and allow/endorse that.
If you are on a platform that endorses terrorists organizations - well you can apply the same reasoning as with a Nazi bar.
You can find EU alternatives for mail here: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/email-providers
If you really had an account on that sanctioned platform I would recommend to wipe everything there and run a GDPR request for data deletion otherwise your data might show up during their next police raid.
The difference here seems to be that they explicitly know what their “customers” are doing (e.g. terrorism/energy infrastructure sabotage) and allow/endorse that.
A/I has denied these claims that the U.S. government has made, they are not terrorists, they merely share communication services for people who are against fascism, racism, militarism, and bigotry of all kinds. The majority of their users are regular people, perhaps activists, and the few that advocate for violence doesn’t make A/I terrorists. I can guarantee you there are more extremists on Gmail than on A/I, more illegal content is distributed through services like Google Drive and MEGA than A/I does, more hate is spread by Medium and Substack compared to A/I’s blog services.
The Trump admin is using the terrorist designation to restrict an organisation that does not agree with their ideology. Antifascism and protest is not terrorism.
If you believe the lies in a Trump press release, then you are the most gullible bootlicking fool on the planet.
Or a fascist like his rotting orange half-corpse fuhrer and his braindead lackeys.
They are being sanctioned because the fascists running the US are using their power to disenfranchise antifascists. They offer an opinionated service, quote:“…recognizes and promotes anticapitalism, antiracism, antifascism, antisexism, antimililtarism, and the refusal of authoritarianism and hierarchies.”. They are being sanctioned because providing infrastructure to ideologies outside of those aligned with Trump and his cronies is being construed as “terrorist activitiy”.
Go lick some more fascist boots and fuck off.
Yeah totally expect a simple comment from someone like you after I looked at the instance.
These guys knowingly provide hosting infrastructure for people
- sabotaging rail systems across France, Italy, Germany, and the Netherlands
- sabotaging the Transalpine Pipeline (TAL)
- doing multiple arson attacks and acts of sabotage against Germany’s rail and energy infrastructure (probably referring to “Vulkangruppe”)
Polictical ideology is irrelevant when you knowingly provide a platform for terrorists you will end up in legal trouble.
That entire organisation is also certainly already bugged by police or intelligence services and scheduled for getting taken down soon.
Google provides search results for everything under the sun, legal or not. AWS is used by real terrorists. Microsoft Azure is used in genocides. Palantir is used to prop up the surveillance state. Meta advertises child porn. X is providing communication services for far right groups. I do not see them being designated a terrorist group - providing infrastructure for communication is not the same as being a terrorist.
This designarion is not one of “you are harming people”. It is based on “You think the wrong way and therefore you are our enemy”. If you can’t differentiate that, you are either brainwashed or a fascist yourself. Be ashamed, if you are even able to.
Google provides search results for everything under the sun, legal or not
Incorrect. Certain entries can be delisted. Google is e.g. using https://lumendatabase.org/ for that.
I have no idea what this discussion has to do with e. g. Planatir as they don’t provide hosted services to users.
To stay on the topic: non of these services explicitly allow or endorse terroristic content on their platform.
If you can’t differentiate that, you are either brainwashed or a fascist yourself
Such nice words. If everyone is a facist nobody is.
By default they list everything. You can contact them and remove stuff, but by default all the smut, trash and bullshit of the web gets indexed. A/I would remove illegal content too, but this wasn’t even tried. Don’t deflect.
Palantir provides infrastructure, same as the others. They fit well, especially when viewed from the perspective of who you are allowed to provide services to on basis of ideology.
A/I also do not explicitly allow or endorse terroristic content. They provide infrastructure for communication to people, same as any other hoster or mail provider. Only difference is their antifascistic stance and that they have been repeatedly the target of repressive actions.
And no, only the people who attack antifascist infrastructure based on the words of a nazi government - You know, the currrent US administration - are fascists or fascist bootlickers. Need examples?
- Heil Hitlering Musk (just to start off with something graphic)
- Hegseths removal of women and non-white people from positions of power in the armed forces
- Trumps fawning over his “good relations” with every dictator on the planet
- The US voting together with Israel and fucking North Korea in the UN to prevent condemnation of the aggression of Israel in the West Bank
- Ex-Kristi Noems restructuring of ICE and border authorities (forgot their 3-letter-acronym) into the equivalent of the SS, which is being used to stick people with the wrong skin color - sometimes even ignoring citizenship or protected status, while ignoring court orders - into concentration camps before transporting them to autocratic states to dump them into CECOT regardless of being guilty of a crime, and to shoot protesters and PoC
- Vance’s endorsement of groups like the AfD, Orban et. al (AfD has been recognized as an extreme-right organization by the authorities in Germany
- The reconstruction of the DOJ to serve and protect the executive and ignoring orange fuhrers pedophilia
- The infiltration of the supreme court by christofascists
- The blackmailing of TV networks which have comedians critical of Trump on air using the FCC, treatening to pull their licence
- The misuse of military assets for PR stunts involving Kid Rock and iBrainworm Kennedy, leading to the dismissal of peopleinvestigating this event
- The abduction of a foreign head of state to enrich Trump and his buddies
- The witchhunt on minorities like somalians in Minnesota, drag queens and trans people nationwide
- The ignorance of the resulting rise in violence and even murders of PoC, minorities and democrats by far-right groups, because it is a positive thing for them - other countries would have started organized action against this amount of far-right terror.
- The designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization (do you realize who tho only group which sees Antifa as terrorists? I´ll let you in on a secret: the only people who perceive antifa as terrorists are fascists)
- The assault on public education at large and the attempt at rewriting history, trying to color slavery as something positive for PoC
- The bullying of every ally the US ever had on the international stage, similar to how Hitler started bullying the countries surrounding Germany in the leadup to WW2
- The threats of invasion, annexation and exposure of long-term allies to enemy aggression
I could go on far longer, but i do not want to waste more time at you. If you are just a brainwashed, lost soul, stop watching the crap Youtube and Meta are throwing in your face, you are too easily influenced to discern the difference between neonazi propaganda and reality. If you are a true believer in that shit, my condolences go to the part of your family that doesn’t want to have contact with you anymore (probably your kids and ex-wife), and the rest of what i would put here is intentionally self-censored, but you will probably get the gist.
Im not going to read that schizophrenic manifesto. Learn how to communicate properly with people and don’t tell me that a certain US president lives in your walls and there are Nazis on the moon.
Have a nice day.
Lol, an illiterate fascist! You are truly part of the greatest race of all.
For everyone else, i will provide Sartre again:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert."
And now we have arrived at the last sentence with this guy:
"If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
this condescending cringy language is why they hate us
They hate us because they are fascists and hate is their core concept. And we’ve seen how much of a fuck they give when we try to converse with them on equal ground over the last decades. Never forget what Sartre said:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Discourse with a fascist is useless in the vast majority of cases. What isn’t useless is to show the inhumanity, selectivity and selfishness of their language when shown in a public forum. Note how they started acting after Walz started naming these people “weird”. They don’t cope well with being shown to be what they really are. Chastising them for being inhuman drekheads and naming things as they are is not “cringy”, it is an imperative.
They hate us because they are fascists
Discourse with a fascist is useless
Ok so everyone is a facist in your opinion… and therefore discussion with everyone is useless.
Idk but that sounds like you have schizophrenia to me.
I am talking about that discourse with fascist is, indeed, useless - your reply just underscored Sartres words perfecty. Thanks for that.
These guys knowingly provide hosting infrastructure for people
- sabotaging rail systems across France, Italy, Germany, and the Netherlands
- sabotaging the Transalpine Pipeline (TAL)
- doing multiple arson attacks and acts of sabotage against Germany’s rail and energy infrastructure (probably referring to “Vulkangruppe”)
Polictical ideology is irrelevant when you knowingly provide a platform for terrorists you will end up in legal trouble.
there is a legal procedure that should happen then, not an immediate takedown! trump’s puppets should contact the Italian authorities, get court approval to request data, if they don’t comply then get the court to seize hardware, or whatever else they do before that. did any of that happen here?
No, it didn’t, because A/I hasn’t broken any laws, just as google doesn’t break any law when indexing neonazi propaganda that is illegal in germany. A/I has been under legal attack more than once, and it is very obvious that it didn’t work, because nothing they do is illegal.
Designating someone as a terrorist in a country where the law and justice mean something should need a previous sentencing for a crime that gives a legal basis for such a designation (aka planning or executing attacks, murders, blackmail, you know, the stuff the current US administration is very guilty of). This designation is the equivalent to sentencing someone to life in prison without any legal defense; the US executive took the place of Jury, Judge and Executioner all at once.
The difference here seems to be that they explicitly know what their “customers” are doing (e.g. terrorism/energy infrastructure sabotage) and allow/endorse that.
Congratulations, you drank the propaganda. They do not explicitly know what their customers are doing, because they believe in privacy and everything is encrypted. What they explicitly know is that their “customers” are not capitalists, racists, fascists, sexists, militarists, or authoritarians because they ask during registration. It is not the duty nor the right of a service provider to ensure how its users use their platform, contrary to what you have been told for decades to justify surveillance. It’s not a hard concept: either criminals can get privacy too, or no one can. Sure preventing terrorist attacks is something no one can oppose, but just like that you also silence every journalist, activist and whistleblower that just wants a secure service without Uncle Sam’s hands in it
Their website and mailing server has been taken down
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK it has happened. Only yesterday most DNS services allowed it.
Now even OpenNIC blocks it.I’ve been relying on autistici.org for years.
whois autistici.org ... Domain Status: serverHold https://icann.org/epp#serverHold Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: serverTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#serverTransferProhibited Domain Status: serverUpdateProhibited https://icann.org/epp#serverUpdateProhibited ... URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: https://icann.org/wicf/ >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2026-08-29T11:27:15Z <<<Check out these links, it’s bad:
serverHold https://icann.org/epp#serverHold
clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
serverTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#serverTransferProhibited
serverUpdateProhibited https://icann.org/epp#serverUpdateProhibitedAnd most importantly
https://icann.org/wicf/I wonder which complaint type is the correct one here?
…wait what all the form links -except the first one - resolve to my.site.com. WTF
Another person pointed out, inventati.org still functions. As another another person pointed out, ICANN is capitalistic and the .org TLD is owned by a US business. I don’t know why only autistici.org tho. May go down too, soon…
Also, that was also my own reaction.
Have you dried using a tor browser to access their website?
Yes, same result.
Wtf…they are putting these guys in the same bin as daesh and alqaeda…terrorism means nothing anymore. (probably the actual terrorists feel insulted)
They put all transgender people in the same bin. They’re straight up Nazis, words only mean whatever is most convenient to them.
It’s honestly deligitimizing the word terrorism.
It’s like the “war on drugs”. The DARE program (an anti-drug program cops run in schools) was the single best promoter of drugs I’ve ever seen. When they tell people all drugs will kill you and thc is just as bad as heroin, when you try a joint or vape for the first time and don’t get immediately addicted or die, you think “well I guess heroin and crack can’t be that bad either”
If you call everything that’s against fascism, bigotry, and hate a “terrorist group” it really makes all the legitimate terrorism extremist groups look much tamer, and less people will think of them as terrorists.
I imagine heroin and crack aren’t that bad if you have self control.
You don’t have self-control when you start using them.
When you’ve seen an otherwise rational, smart adult ruin their entire family and steal from their own children in order to get a fix after “just trying it once”, you understand all the self control in the world won’t be enough.
You imagine. You sound like someone who’s either A), never struggled with addiction; or B), is currently struggling with addiction and just hasn’t realized it yet.
“It’s won’t be that bad if I have self-control” is a lie that many addicts told themselves in the beginning. You hear people mention it all the time at recovery groups.
The problem is that tiny little “if” is pulling several times more than its own weight in that sentence.
I sound more like the people who say if you want to lose weight you need to eat less. Which while true some people do not have the ability to follow through on. Of course I’ve never done heroin or crack - but I wager the people willing to do heroin or crack are the kind of people most likely to get addicted to it.
Addiction is super fucked up but it’s not some sort of alien body snatcher that makes you have zero control of your actions.
What point is your analogy even trying to make? “If you want to be healthy and still do crack or heroin, you just need to do less crack or heroin”? Dude, you sound batshit. Is this ragebait?
Which while true some people do not have the ability to follow through on.
No, it’s not even true. Some people have medical and/or genetic conditions that make losing wait nearly impossible even if they eat absolutely healthy, in moderate amounts, and exercise regularly. And unless you’re a medical doctor I suggest you shut the fuck up and stop being so smug while spreading outright falsehoods as if they were fact.
but I wager the people willing to do heroin or crack are the kind of people most likely to get addicted to it.
No, many of them are the type of people who get a back injury at work and are prescribed too many painkillers (often by doctors who receive financial kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies who manufacture opioids), only to get addicted to these highly physiologically addictive substances, so that when the prescription runs out they experience withdrawal symptoms which are literally torturous to endure unless they can find a fix on the streets, where heroin and fentanyl are easier to come by (and cheaper) than Vicodin or Percocets.
Addiction is super fucked up but it’s not some sort of alien body snatcher that makes you have zero control of your actions.
This whole sentence is fucked, and it just goes to show you have no personal experience in the matter and no clue what you’re fucking talking about. And if there’s anyone in your life who’s struggling with addiction, I feel sincerely sorry for them that (in addition to the living hell they’re already going through every single day) they have to deal with you, your judgement, and your dismissiveness.
Robbing people of their willpower is literally what addiction does. It’s what addiction is. If a person still has all their willpower intact, then they’re not an addict.
And you’re basically backseat driving or quarterbacking from the couch by saying “Just don’t get addicted! Just do less!” Like, shut the fuck up. You don’t understand addiction at all, and nobody who struggles with it every day of their life needs to listen to advice from you who have no clue what it’s like to life with.
Which is why I related it to the food thing. I’ve been physically addicted to very strong opiates after surgery in the hey day of “here everyone take the opiates” medicine. It certainly didn’t make me want more opiates, even if it was some of the most miserable days of my life.
I mean I’m addicted to nicotine but if it was made highly illegal I wouldn’t start shooting up fentanyl laced nic just to get my fix…
I mean I’m addicted to nicotine
“Just smoke less. It’ll reduce your risk for cancer. You just need some self-control.”
That’s what you sound like.
Because they’re fascists
It’s been like that since the start of the war on terror. The US can label anyone (including US citizens) they want as a terrorist and kill them and their family despite no due process.
Since the UK regime designated Palestine Action a terror group the average arrested terrorist is now a 60 year old white woman.
The amount of repression going on is insane
it is not the same
I’ve been happy with mailbox.org so far. They offer full mailbox encryption, but unlike proton still support regular imap and smtp. You just need a mail client that supports pgp en/decryption (thunderbird does, both desktop and android).
full mailbox encryption
still support regular imap and smtp
Hmmm, how? For me, it sounds like they are either talking about OpenPGP which everyone can use OR it’s, sniff, bs.
The way it works is that it’s encrypted at rest on the server with your password.
If the server isn’t infected, they can’t read your email. If the webmail server is infected, they could store your password on auth (instead of just hashing it immediately) and decrypt your email.
The mitigation to this risk of server integrity compromise is PGP
Okay. New mail arrives. Plaintext, SMTP. You have not logged in today. To store it, it needs to know your password…
About as good as a gate in the middle of a field. Better just use POP3.
No, that’s not how it works. If you set up mailbox encryption (mailbox guard), you set up (or let mailbox.org generate) a pgp keypair. Any time you want to read an email, you have to unlock the key first. This way you can use regular imap, the body of emails will just arrive encrypted (and optionally the subjects as well I believe), you only need a pgp decryption tool to read the mails (which Thunderbird/K9 supports out of the box (with OpenKeychain on Android)).
Right. A user from another server sends you mail. The mail is unencrypted on their side because they don’t know your key yet, or they don’t know how to use OpenPGP, or it’s automated.
Servers talk SMTP between each other, not just a client sending mail.
< 220 mail.mailbox.org EpicServerSoftware7000 > HELO mail.riseup.net < 250 mail.riseup.net Service ready for new user > MAIL FROM:<coolskeleton98@riseup.net> < 250 Requested mail action okay, completed > RCPT TO:<chud@mailbox.org> < 250 Requested mail action okay, completed > DATA < 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>.<CRLF> > From: "CoolSkeleton98" <coolskeleton98@riseup.net> > To: chud@mailbox.org > Subject: Test Message > > Hey, this is a test message! > . > < 250 Requested mail action okay, completed > QUIT < 221 mail.riseup.net Service closing transmission channelThe round trip time in this protocol is fucking insane, but that’s what the people in the year 1980 thought of. They never thought this would be used outside of universities.
Anyways, inevitably,
mail.mailbox.orggets the message, unencrypted. It can encrypt it later. Though I don’t see how this is any safer than just getting the mail out with POP3.
Proton does support IMAP, though it is through a desktop app. IMAP is weak security since it uses basic authentication, so I’m not sure why you think integrated support for IMAP makes a service better or more secure. A product is only as secure as its weakest link.
There has been a lot of Proton hate recently, much of it being highly misinformed or just looking for reasons to shit on them. I’d love if people could give me real reasons they dislike Proton.
Proton supports Trump
There has been a lot of Proton hate recently, much of it being highly misinformed or just looking for reasons to shit on them. I’d love if people could give me real reasons they dislike Proton.
Personally I don’t like how they do marketing, it feels scammy. the naming, calling “unlimited” something that isnt, highlighting the more expensive option, playing with text sizes to make the lower number that is less truthful larger, the alwaus visible banner with distracting background color that advertises some timed discount. also the newsletters, I mean in my mailbox its fine, but when I register someone on protonmail, go out of my way to disable the promotional emails, and later they are automatically subscribed to them for new proton products… what do I say with straight face if someone asks me about any of these?
I won’t comment on the Proton thing as the other replies already explained it well.
IMAP is weak security since it uses basic authentication, so I’m not sure why you think integrated support for IMAP makes a service better or more secure.
IMAP does not make it more secure, it makes it so that you can use any email client and aren’t tied in to their proprietary apps, like you are with Proton. You either need their desktop app or their bridge.
IMAP having weak security is not an issue (also I’m not aware that it has, you can use imap with plenty of authentication options), because all of your emails are encrypted if you set it up correctly. Someone could steal my every single transaction with mailbox.org and not be able to do anything with the data.
Proton does support IMAP, though it is through a desktop app
And that’s the problem, the requirement for “Proton Bridge” isn’t the greatest. I would rather have proper IMAP support, as the protocol supports PGP encryption if you do need secure communication, which will be intercompatible with other mail services.
I’d love if people could give me real reasons they dislike Proton.
I don’t like how they are pushing people to adopt the Proton “ecosystem” of services that is all tied to a single account, I would rather not have everything in one basket. They also don’t have a Linux client for Proton Drive, so it rules that service out for me.
Their CEO is also super pro-Trump and pro-GOP, which is always a red flag. The company now states that they are “politically neutral”, but it doesn’t seem like it from some of the comments that Proton (the company) has made, where they are basically saying that “Trump/the Republicans is the great hero against Big Tech that we needed”
How do you feel about Gail Slater?
Well I’m not American, so I have no idea who that is. Just skimming Wikipedia, looks like she served as the Assistant Attorney General of the antitrust division during the second Trump admin, but resigned earlier this year. Dunno anything about her though, so can’t place any assumptions.
She is known for trying to break up monopolies in tech, which is why people were surprised when she was selected by Trump who has tech giant friends. That’s what the proton ceo was praising, Gail Slater being picked. She didn’t last long, presumably because she indeed tried to break up big tech. He was also saying that the Democrats had done very little when they had the chance, because some Democrats are on the side of big tech. This was the controversy, and soon people called proton fascist and what not, and I don’t think it’s entirely fair.
His language of how Trump and the Republicans are their “only chance” to fight Big Tech isn’t great though. People were rightfully pretty mad about this, and Proton (the company) tried to position itself as “apolitical” and distanced themselves from the CEO. Being super pro-Trump is not a great image, especially given how he is financing big tech, promoting whatever makes them the most money, warmongering, and threatening political freedom.
I agree that his language wasn’t great. The appropriate language should have been to either not say anything or at least also criticize Trumps generally corrupt ways. It sounds to me similar to praising the strict animal welfare laws in Germany under the Nazis. I am all for banning vivisection and making animal cruelty illegal. That was a good thing, done by horrible people. If I say those laws were good, it doesn’t mean I’m a Nazi. But still, it wouldn’t look good.
Show me a CEO who isn’t pro-GOP. If you protest every company that has a GOP CEO, you would have to live an Amish lifestyle. It is a fine enough reason to avoid a company, but that in itself does not make their services bad.
Not having all your eggs in one basket is a personal choice, not an objective reason why the company itself or their services are bad. I will acknowledge that if things go sour, it would be a huge PITA to migrate to another service.
Not offering services you need does not make the company bad, though it is a valid reason to seek an alternative that fits your needs. Proton has been working on Linux clients (with ProtonVPN being their latest offering). They will get there one day, I’m sure.
I do agree that Proton Bridge is not the best solution, but it is a solution. I also agree that some solutions aren’t worth the effort or pain, so if Proton Bridge does not work for you, then that is a valid reason to seek something else.
I appreciate you taking the time to actually reply back with your grievances. While it may not appear so in my post, it did give me something to think about.
Show me a CEO who isn’t pro-GOP. If you protest every company that has a GOP CEO, you would have to live an Amish lifestyle.
Well, there are plenty of email services that are not super pro-GOP and pro-Trump. Yes, it is ideal to avoid big corporations, but in many cases you simply don’t have an option (see computers, printers, etc.)
but that in itself does not make their services bad
I’d rather not give them my money though, and I’d rather not use their services if given alternatives
that in itself does not make their services bad.
not an objective reason why the company itself or their services are bad
Not offering services you need does not make the company bad
You keep repeating that their services are not bad, but I don’t think that is true. Everything being tied to one account has an objective downside. The requirement of Proton Bridge for IMAP support is a downside. Somebody else has already mentioned how it won’t work for mobile, meaning you’re forced to use the official client. The lack of a Linux client for Proton Drive is a clear downside for it.
Judging by your last statement, I feel like you didn’t really read my comment and just cherry-picked parts to comment on. I ultimately agreed with your points in some form, and you…challenge me anyway? You once again say putting everything in one basket is bad as a matter of fact, saying it has an objective downside, and don’t even bother to say what that downside is or expand on why.
I’m sure you are not invested in this discussion, but you should at least act in good faith if you are going to engage anyway.
Edit: Also NOWHERE in my post did I say their services were good (not bad). I am now convinced you were acting in bad faith.
I will look at mailbox then, it seems pretty neat!
The official statement linked here claims some actual violent terrorists used the services to coordinate attacks ….
Of course it also lists antifa and cop city protesters among them
If they’re saying ‘violent terrorists’ and listing antifa and cop city protesters, then they’re saying groups like al-qaeda are on par with protesters, and therefore must not be that bad.
They’re making the word meaningless.
Actual terror orgs use Google and Microsoft too. Don’t see them bringing Gmail and Outlook offline because of it.
Every email in the trump-Epstein files are from google.
RiseUp, MayFirst, and Tutanota come to mind
Fascist never liked criticism.
It’s really BS how they’re considered a “terrorist group” while real terrorist groups like the IDF continue killing innocent people
This is an absolutely fantastic read about the history of A/I for anyone unfamiliar
The precedent also reaches beyond explicitly anarchist or antifascist projects. If political alignment with users, privacy protections and the hosting of controversial publications can be assembled into a case that infrastructure itself constitutes support, then encrypted mail providers, radical publishers, community archives, VPNs, federated social networks, legal-support projects and other independent hosts all have reason to pay attention
They will be back. This is trivial to fix.
But if you really want an alternative, disroot is great.
Do they accept monero donations?
It looks like they only accept direct transfer and credit card. They do not accept Bitcoin (or any other cryptocurrency), they have a blog article about why on their donation page if you are interested.
autistici.org is down in the EU, their domain name does not exist anymore. how did they do that? surely they didn’t use a USA based registrar.
inventati.org seems to be up for now
both domains seem to be registered with gandi.net, so it’s interesting only one of them got taken down
It’s kind of insane how much control the U.S. has over everything
was there at least any legal procedure through Italian courts? or did they just decide to single handedly censor a whole organization?
Italy didn’t do anything. The US decided unilaterally to disable their org domain. If any, some Italian political parties have presented a parliamentary interrogation on the matter
I imagine it’s the latter, I can’t find anything relating to the Italian government participating in this online
https://mastodon.bida.im/@cavallette/117172989300228024
@bohwaz @cavallette for once it isn’t Gandi. The .org registry is operated by a US business, who as a result of the sanctions can’t do business with them (autistici)
this is insane and absolutely unacceptable. I guess this is the end of .org and such being a good choice for a domin name. if the operator is not willing to fall in line with the openly fascist USA, they can and will just take you down too
.org is administered by Identity Digital and they are obligated to comply with terror sanctions. The US is embedded at virtually every level of the internet infrastructure and with the magic weapon of “sanctions” can force almost everyone else from providing services to any entity
