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    27 days ago

    We would shoot steel core but the government considers it “Armor Piercing” so its banned from import and from a lot of states… So its lead.

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        They are copper jacketed, well the ones I have are. Also got a pile of Russian steel core before Obama banned their importation.

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          Yes, notice how it is shaped far more complicated than a normal lead bullet? Now why in the world would they make it so complicated if there didn’t have to be a softer metal on the outside…? 🤔

          Lead is 1000% cheaper than that style of bullet. The only way changing out all bullets to (functional) steel would work is if you wanted to make it even more of a yuppie hobby in the US…

          Not to mention, such styles of ammo suck at dropping soft targets…

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    27 days ago

    Maybe I missed it, but what about environmental lead poisoning? All those slugs in the ground can’t be good

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      Absolutely could be a problem depending on the context/location, but doesn’t seem to be within the scope of the cited study.

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    The sad part is that it’s not that hard. No food or open drinks at the range, wash your hands/forearms with lead removal soap, change and toss your clothes/gloves into the washer with lead removing detergent. It’s a ritual my household performs whenever we finish shooting and it means my preferred range clothes and gloves are always clean for the next visit.

    Lead removal soaps and detergents are affordable and abundant. If you’re exposed to heavy metals either through shooting or work then pick a few up.

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      Jesus, am I supposed to be doin all that shit after soldering with leaded solder? I just wash my hands with regular ass soap like I just pooped.

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        I don’t when I solder. But I do use lead removal soap and/or wear gloves. Washing my hands after soldering doesn’t take much time and I figure it’s better safe than sorry.

        The issue with shooting is rarely bullets, like people think, it’s the primers. Most primers contain heavy metals that get blasted out into the air, which means you end up with a nice microscopic coating of the stuff on your skin and clothes. Touching lead probably isn’t an amazing idea but won’t do much unless you’re, like, chewing on it. But microscopic particles are a different story.

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          They’re blasted out the barrel, that shit is not going back at your face in any meaningful amount. That would be the worse design ever if hot gases came back into the face of the operator. The only real danger about aerosolized lead is if you’re running a suppressor and in an indoor range with shit ventilation, and those are usually shut down pretty quickly. The fire Marshal will shut that shit down in a heartbeat if the ventilation is shit (unspent gunpowder is stupid flammable).

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            If you think 100% of the gasses from a primer strike shoot out of the end of your barrel and don’t go anywhere else then I’m not sure what to tell you because that’s just not the case. Or you’re shooting some very bizarre guns.

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              Sure not 100% but it’s going to be 99.99% of it. There is very little material in a primer in the first, and of that material only 40% of it is lead based. You’re going to get more lead exposure from handling fishing weights made from lead than gas exposure of vapor from a primer.

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                I don’t have hard data on how many microns or percents of primer heavy metals are ending up in my gas tube or on my clothes or hands. But from what I know it’s a nonzero amount and I take precautions accordingly like I would for any nonzero amount of heavy metals. Lead is cumulative, so every tiny bit adds up over the years.

                If you don’t think that’s an issue for you, then rock on my friend. Keep doing it the way you want.

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        Well you should be washing your hands, and using lead removal soap for washing probably wouldn’t be a bad idea

        But with soldering, unless you’re doing something really wrong, you’re not really going to be spraying lead around the room, to settle on your clothes and such and your soldering iron or even a standard blowtorch torch isn’t anywhere near hot enough to vaporize lead, so inhalation isn’t really a risk (to say nothing about fumes from your flux or whatever else you might end up burning, good ventilation is still a very good idea) and hopefully you’re not soldering on any kind of food prep surfaces.

        With shooting, there’s a lot more risk of airborne particles and bullet fragments and such as well as fumes from lead based chemicals in the primers, so lead kind of gets everywhere.

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        No. There’s a hysteria about lead recently, it’s nuts. Surgeons leave bullets in people all the time.

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    Isn’t lead only (highly) dangerous to infants and children as the main effect is wreaking havoc with development?

    I mean I wouldn’t put it past americans to let children shoot all day long so …

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    Since a few people in the thread seem to think lead ammunition is illegal in the US, it’s not. It’s only illegal for shooting waterfowl nationwide, and entirely banned in the state of California.

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    I live with an individual that doesn’t have the strongest immune system. While their immune system isn’t great, I’ve opted out of going to the range for the time being. I’m sure there’s a good way to make sure I don’t cover them with lead; but I can’t be bothered risking it for a few hours of outside time

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    Personally, I just never really thought about it. Mostly what you touch is the brass case anyway. I wash my hands pretty frequently, but that’s not always an option in the woods.

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      They touch each other, lead dust from rattling around, the gasses, etc. There’s a lot.

      And when you actually find out how incredibly little it takes, accumulatively, and that it stays with you basically forever… Handling lead in any capacity is bad stuff. It’s very very toxic.

      Imagining people breathing it and handling it and having it around your home and on your clothes. It starts to paint a picture… A lead picture.

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          Not only that but us fucking over the local ecology we have to step in and kill off some numbers of prey species or they will literally starve to death. It’s fucked up, but we’re in this mess and until we collectively are fine with wolves et al, we’ll need to continue it.

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          … That’s… I’ve never thought about it that way.

          What about ethical for the farmer/hunter?

          And what about lab-grown meat? We aren’t totally there yet, but it could have big implications for the meat industry.

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            Prior post to this one but the ecology in some areas of the USA and North America in general are so fucked that unless we literally thin the herd they will die of starvation.

            It’s ethical for a farmer to protect themselves and live stock but many are gun ho about killing all predators. Given that a lot of farms tend to be remote, you have a rifle in the truck and pack a pistol to at least try to scare away the animal.

            Lab-grown meat will likely have an odd taste to it but is more likely to be morally acceptable.

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              Lab-grown meat will likely have an odd taste

              Considering we can taste the difference between corn-fed and grass-fed beef, I’d imagine they would work on figuring out the nutrient slurry that makes the meatalog taste best. They might even be able to improve the taste, texture, marbling, &c. I just don’t expect the first generation product to be great

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            There’s no such thing as lab grown meat and if there ever will be it’s not in the near term

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      IIRC It’s more that shooting the lead bullets vaporizes little bits of metal dust, and certain gun designs project a lot of this towards the user’s face. AKA. Hot lead dust in the face.

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    Is it possible the political divide in this country is people with lead poisoning vs. those without it?

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      The “Super gun owners” account for only like 3% of Americans. And a lot of those still don’t shoot enough to meaningfully manifest the symptoms of lead poisoning on its own.

      It’s probably just medical advances letting bitter racist old fucks live longer.

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        Old fucks who grew up with so much lead in the atmosphere from burning gasoline that the lead from a few recreational bullets is just noise.

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          And the paint, don’t forget the leaded paint. And the ceramic tile. And cosmetics. And costume jewelry. And pipes/plumbing. And pottery. And older vinyl, like blinds. And almost all older strained glass uses lead to hold the panels together. And even older plastics often contained lead to soften the material, and we all know how badly old plastic often deteriorates.

          There’s a shit ton of lead in products made before the turn of the century.

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        9 million people is still a lot of people, much less the kids playing with the ‘bb pellets’ in their closet and other exposures due to those 9 mil.

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      Bruh they put lead in gasoline until the 80s.

      MAGA is 10% nazis, 10% cult members, 10% painfully-ignorant cunts, 69% lead addled boomers/genx

      and 1% rich fucks manipulating the rest of them.

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        Yep, they literally used leaded gasoline to wash off their hands in the 70s. Nevermind the exhausts blanketing everything with it.

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          Isn’t it just for some prop planes? Also there’s an approved unleaded version but for slme reason it’s being rolled out slowly

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            Jets run on kerosene but higher quality, so yes, the leaded fuel is small prop planes

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            27 days ago

            I’ve known a few that were certainly on something…

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          27 days ago

          Just flew with 100LL, and I also clean up with anti-lead soap. I’m the only pilot I know who does this, but I can’t wait to fly something electric ugh.

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            The politics and logistics issues holding back lead free avgas are extremely frustrating. I really thought we would have seen that transition by now.

            Who knows, maybe it will take electric aircraft to finally put an end to the issue.

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          You are correct, but since some may read that and assume that all aviation fuel is leaded, I wanted to add more info.

          Most people don’t know that “airplane fuel” and “jet fuel” are different. Jet fuel is not leaded. The fuel used by small, piston-driven prop engines is. Because small piston aircraft still use leaded fuel, aviation is still the largest source of airborne lead emissions. The FAA is working to phase it out by 2030.

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            Iirc locations downwind or under approach/depart flight lanes of small airports deal with an exposure risk fairly above baseline. I feel like I remember reading then that it ties into modern redlining where there are more minority populations in those areas due to cost of housing and the generational impacts of lead exposure.

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            You know what’s funny? One of the “quirky” things about the Fallout Universe is how everything is radioactive because all their tech is based on fission/fusion right? It’s meant to be funny like haha yeah our pollution is bad but atleast we’re not poisoning ourselves with everything we do. Yet if you sub out “radioactive” for “heavy metal contamination” and “microplastics” etc that’s basically 100% accurate to real life america.

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            Does the lead in the exhaust come down into the air we breathe? Lead is heavy. Would probably be more in cities with airports and under flight paths. Diluted of course, but repeated every day… Perhaps a tin hat or mask would help.

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              Atmospheric dispersion is usually actually concerning good not bad, so it should dilute across the globe fairly quickly.

              Air pollution usually becomes an issue when something like nuclear waste reaches the atmosphere, cause we ALL get to breathe in that nuclear waste.

              But honestly some (probably large) percentage of meteors are lead deposited right to the atmosphere, cause its so atomically stable nearly everything decays to it.

              So no matter what there’s some lead in the soup, and I can’t see jet fuel being a large contributer (to an already small amount)

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                lol no. Lead in the atmosphere is a problem, because if it’s in the atmosphere, you are breathing it. Remember that next time you see a gas plant spewing out exhaust.

                Nuclear power plants will not exhaust anything except water vapor unless things go terribly wrong. Things going terribly wrong basically cannot release radiation with modern designs unless you were to bomb the core directly, with large bombs to defeat the containment building and massive amounts of stuff surrounding them…

                Fossil fuels are infinitely worse for everyone than nuclear, with or without lead.

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                Well jet exhaust would be a very large contributor if it were leaded, but luckily it isn’t. It’s just piston powered prop planes that use leaded “avgas”, anything with a turbine uses an unleaded jet fuel.

                As it is, it’s pretty bad, but it could be a lot worse. Airborne lead is really quite bad for many aspects of biology. If small planes stopped burning leaded fuel today, I’m quite sure we would be able to track a measurable difference in health and educational outcomes within a decade.

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                  Thats a good point, not even turboprops are leaded if I remember right.

                  Obviously it’d require a lot of study to definitively say the impact of the lead, but I’m convinced the impact wouldn’t be able to compare to natural levels in that atmospheric environment. Like we love our planes, but its still energetically really difficult for us to get them up there - but space rocks can have a hard time NOT burning up in our atmosphere. And lead is a larger than uniform part of our universe because its atomic stability, so odds are (IMO) atmospheres relatively lead-y, but have been for centuries.

                  That and the difficulty creating hotspots in such a turbulent environment makes it required to increase the entire atmosphere’s lead content to increase any one area to dangerous levels.

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              Yes, but jet fuel isn’t leaded. Leaded avgas is by far the minority, unless you live right next a busy small airport.

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            The danger from leaded fuels don’t come from handling, but from the exhaust. The lead becomes breathable and enters the environment, exposing those who lived in urban areas and near roads to more lead than others.

            The other poster isn’t wrong about airplane fuel being leaded, but that can be misleading because most people don’t know that “airplane fuel” and “jet fuel” are different. Jet fuel is not leaded, but the fuel used by small, piston-driven prop engines is.

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              Yeah but the jet stream takes care of any concerning concentrations of exhaust.

              Even under 10,000 ft the atmospheric dispersion is orders of magnitude above surface.

              The turbulence at the surface on a bad day can ‘lock out’ the upper atmosphere sometimes, which is extra dangerous for surface car exhaust - but is actually beneficial the higher your altitude vs ground.

              So in all ways the ways airplane fuel would expose someone to lead, isnt experienced by the general populace. (minus directly handling the fuel, may have concentrated lead get on someone’s hand/food, but thats another situation)

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          Effective January 1, 1996, the Clean Air Act banned the sale of the small amount of leaded fuel that was still available in some parts of the country for use in on-road vehicles.

          Where were these places?

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            IIRC farm co-ops, rural gas stations, bulk purchases for fleets, etc…

            I can remember my grandpa, a career trucker and grease monkey, grumbling about having to use lead substitute in his 60s Ford pickup when I was very young.

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      Well there’s on going studies that lead poisoning/exposure leads to mental degredation in various ways, including parkinson’s/alheimer’s and similar neurological diseases.

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      The Boomers grew up with EVERYTHING having lead in it, including the air thanks to leaded gasoline. Prolonged lead poisoning is almost surely a factor there.

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        Also radioactive fallout from nuclear testing (over 1000 nuclear devices in the US) during their early development

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          I’m not sure that’s as wide of an issue compared to lead being in the gas tank. Then again I don’t know if there were ever studies on fallout from such tests on USA soil.

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        Can’t blame boomers for the number of Gen-Z males who are absolute chuds.

        The voting break in males over 65 is more liberal than those under 25.

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          You can blame them for being in positions of power that can be taken advantage of due to the brain damage.

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          Eh, Gen-z who are chuds do of course hold responsibility for their own actions, but they were started down the path by really hard to overcome disadvantages previous generations had where family was present to socialize them, teach them how to treat others, previous generations had third spaces to socialize with peers to learn how not to be asshats, to learn what behaviors wouldn’t be tolerated, and the silent generation, boomers, and now gen-x (my gen) ARE guilty of one by one letting or actively helping all the structures that made socialization and generationally passed down behavioral guidance possible go away or be stripped by stopping the flow of corporate gains to the lower and middle classes, forcing families to all work, and sometimes all work multiple jobs, they voted against social programs, against traditional funding that built transportation systems, parks, and other third spaces by reducing taxation on the wealthy in the name of lowering taxes and the Ayn Rand myth of extreme self reliance.

          When you stop investing in society, you stop getting the benefits of a society, and the first to go is the social contract, where people treat each other with some level of respect due to acknowledgement of said social contract, for the most part.

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              This might be true if the investment in society, infrastructure and lower classes always had been the same or same direction. After wwii it changed drastically and in favor of the working class and those in need, and society benefited greatly from it, there’s datapoints to show this to be true. Then there was a backlash from the wealthy to all the civil rights movements, labor movements and those that investments were pulled back strategically. This is new, because it isn’t a continual trend over time, but that pull back has continued from the 1970s to today’s date.

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                I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, in either comment.

                Just know that every generation has had the capacity to point at the things that were done because the data exists and the lived experience exists.

                Just wait till we discover the novel and fun ways our generations fuck over the earth.

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          Can’t blame boomers for the number of Gen-Z males who are absolute chuds.

          But we can blame lead poisoning from poorly-soldered vape batteries

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        This just proves that broader economic trends exist, but especially cause how much it detaches at the end, yet increases in step this is obviously not causation, and is really only loose correlation

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          The divergence makes sense.

          Children age out of the sample cohort, but still have high lead levels and still contribute to the crime cohort.

          I’d expect to see the lead level rate be proportional to the birth rate and the crime rate proportional to the death rate. Having the chart extend another 15 years to today might show that.

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            Thats a good point, I always get messed up on small aspects of statistics like that

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            That’s incorrect. It’s correlation, not causation.

            If lead were such a direct cause of violence, they should start diverging at the introduction of lead, not long after a notable decline in lead levels. (ok ok not diverge at first, but still have a predictable, visible connection throughout)

            Children grow up constantly, and only one of the lines is not age-restricted. If it were to ever diverge while still being a major cause, it’d begin to diverge at the introduction of the stimulus… or rather, start to diverge when the supposed initiating cause was reduced.

            As you say, lead is a lifetime problem. If it were to be a tent pole contributor to violence, violence wouldn’t have reduced in lockstep basically ever.

            Lead is a massive problem and is a toxin, but it surely did not itself contribute to increased violence. Increased stupidity? Absolutely.

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        I’d like to see this graphed against political leaning and opinions on things like gay rights or abortion.

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        Were your parents using guns on the regular?That is the important question here, because lead has very long lasting consequences.

        (Btw, just having guns does fuck all against militarized police units)

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      I have been pointing this out for like 20 years. Even with good sanitation and PPE, lead residue from shooting is surprisingly hard tocompletely eliminate. I was as shooting maybe a couple of times per week, primarily with a bolt action rifle and shotgun, wearing gloves, wiping things down, and I could still find detectable lead residue on my range bag, and in my car (!).

      Someone who is putting hundreds of rounds per week of dog shit ammo through their AR is 1000% exposing themselves and their family to a slowly increasing background supply of lead.

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        Someone on Lemmy wrote, a little over a year ago I think, that lead ossifies in the bones and then gets released into the blood as bones soften with age. This then affects the brain and might explain why older people have seemingly sudden personality changes. I think about this often.

        • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          There’s some studies that look into this and its effects on mental health of all stripes. I’m certain in the coming decades there’ll be more as the boomers start suffering and dying.

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          It is one of the processes of lead poisoning yes. Lead is mistaken for Calcium and stored in your bones.

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      The US has a lot of gun owners, but it also has a lot of people who don’t own guns but are MAGAs anyway.

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        They might have grown up in a household with an active gun owner, which, when combined with bad hygiene practices after shooting, might cause lead to cause developmental effects.

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          Kinetic energy = (mass * velocity²)/2. It’s not as important as velocity, but yeah it’s important. The real key is that it is soft. Meaning it will deform more readily when it impacts a target. When it deforms it spreads out, creates a larger wound channel, and more effectively dumps its energy into the object it hit target than just cleanly passing through.

          That said, these days there is a big push to move to all copper bullets for hunting. They’re more expensive, they don’t deform quite as well, but they do consistently pedal now, they don’t shed mass, and they’re basically inert to our bodies. I practice with cheaper lead core bullets, but I have the more expensive copper stuff to hunt with.

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          It maintains more momentum.

          Throw a ping pong ball and a golf ball, see which goes farther.

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          Lead being a soft material is a part of it too.

          A lead bullet deforms on impact, getting wider, which causes more damage as it passes through flesh.

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          Ok guys, can we leave OP’s mom out of this for even one thread? This is serious.

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      Because it is very dense. A heavier bullet carries more momentum, will travel further for a given speed and be less prone to drift from wind, thus more accurate. Lead is just the cheapest densest stuff available. Bismuth is becoming the popular non-toxic alternative, but it is a fair bit more pricey than lead.

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    Is anybody aware of studies quantifying direct (shooter) and indirect (household member) lead exposure? The gold standard (so to speak) is bloodstream lead levels, but I think that’s hard to measure as it relates to specific events like going to the gun range.

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      I guess it’s very dependent on how many times the shooter shoots the household member.

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      Here’s one: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/l/2014/lead-among-shooters.pdf

      Lots of relevant links to other studies in the References section. A couple relevant paragraphs from the link PDF:

      A health care practitioner notified a local health unit after seeing an asymptomatic 70 year old male patient with a blood lead level (BLL) of 12 μg/dL (0.61 μmol/L1). The patient reported that he shoots twice weekly at an indoor firing range operated by volunteers. Public Health Ontario (PHO) was asked to “review the patient’s BLL and provide advice on the significance of the results relative to expected background levels”. As a result of this advice, a lead exposure assessment of the firing range was initiated by the health unit.

      Results from the exposure assessment found that four of the five breathing zone samples performed on shooters [task-based time-weighted average (TWA) lead concentrations ranged from 3–147 μg/m3 over the sampling periods (19–47 minutes)] exceeded Ontario’s occupational exposure limit of 50 μg/m3 (8 hr TWA). This indicated the inadequacy of the existing ventilation system to reduce inhalable airborne lead generated during shooting. Wipe and vacuum samples showed the presence of lead on eight of the nine surfaces tested. Lead dust on surfaces inside a firing range can be easily transferred to hands, which can result in ingestion of lead through hand-to-mouth contact.

      A good gun range should have ventilation systems that filter air from the range itself and prevent any lead particles from migrating into the non-range areas (lounge / weapons-maintenance areas, any attached ammo shop, bathrooms, etc.). The highest-risk area is where the targets sit. The amount of lead particulate at the shooting bays will vary depending on the type of ammo (copper jacketed bullets would likely generate less lead particulate, plain lead wadcutter would likely generate more), but any ammo type is going to get smashed into bits when it hits the backstop behind the target. The ventilation system needs to pull air at the targets, and pull it away from people. I’m sure many ranges have less-than-adequate ventilation systems. Shooters should still wash their face and everything south of their elbows really well after using the range, even if the range has great ventilation, because the amount of lead exposure in recreational shooting will always be non-zero.

      There is non-lead ammunition, particularly bismuth. Similar density to lead but non-toxic. (Edit: also tungsten ammo, but I believe tungsten has similar toxicity issues to lead). Lead ammunition has been outright banned for waterfowl hunting in some areas, because lead pellets would inevitably wide up in the environment and leach into the wetlands. Lead is still the overall most common ammo type, because it’s the cheapest material for the purpose.

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        Bismuth also has the added advantage of being able to cure your upset stomach,. diarrhea, indigestion/acid reflux!

        You just have to dissolve the round in hot nitric acid, then separate the white (tin) crystals that form (after an hour of keeping it hot) by pouring the resulting liquid through an acid-resistant paper filter (or a fancy glass microfiber), and finally react the purified bismuth solution with salicylic acid and BAM! DIY Pepto Bismol 👍