Don’t be cartoonishly evil?
You have a very low bar for what evil is apparently.
Linux or Graphene?
Graphene if you give a damn about security and privacy.
Both actually
I say Linux.
I read Linux phobe first and got so confused.
Totally degoogled graphene phones can’t come soon enough.
you can use a pin instead of biometrics by the way
I haven’t used Google anything since 2010. What’s your struggle lmfao
what have you used then? the only other option thats really viable as a complete daily driver solution is iphones and iOS and that has all the same issues just without pretending to be open source
Lmao you’re never going to get a genuine reply from this
banking.
public transport.
government anything.
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Google banking? Google transport? Google government?
Is this your first day on Earth?
Those apps are all only avaible through the Google Play Store and downloading the banking app from somewhere else is likely causing serious trouble.
Name a bank without a website lmfao.
When you don’t have a real response, responding as if you’re a moron doesn’t help your point.
I feel like you don’t understand what we’re taking about here
Oh?
There are two options for mobile phone operating systems and now both of them restrict their users freedoms to install software as they see fit.
So you either don’t care about software freedom or don’t understand the problem.
good linux phones can’t come soon enough
For anyone reading this, donate to PostmarketOS if you can so we can escape google forever!
they dont ship to the us. also the mobile-focused software is still early on linux, but as long as it is daily drivable I can handle that.
Unfortunately, Sailfish OS uses a proprietary (closed source) android compatibility layer, as well as a closed source UI. They also have a CLA that contributers must sign. It’s the HA-CLA-I-ANY license, which specifically allows them a perpetual Copyright and Patent license, and to relicense your code contributions to sell or package into a closed-source proprietary app.
Personally I’d be more comfortable supporting the development of PostmarketOS instead, since it is completely open-source with no CLA, meaning no chance of any rug-pulling in the future.
Disclaimer: yes, SFOS is made by a (small) for-profit company. Always has been.
For the parts they have open-sourced, they implementrd a CLA that contributers must sign.
Just to clarify, this applies only to previously closed core components. Not app developers. But thanks for the info.
I love the constant comparison to PMOS, which has exactly 0 daily-driveable devices. SFOS has been usable since 2013, and honestly I don’t see a rug-pull coming up. Call me naive.
It’s a European company btw.If you’re comfortable with it being a private company that has proprietary software and utilizes a CLA for its own components, then by all means, use them.
Personally I’m at a point where I distrust any essential software that isn’t GPL licensed, as that’s the only way to ensure that it’ll always be in the community’s hands. Otherwise, we’re just hedging that Sailfish won’t someday potentially be sold to a different larger publicly traded company, and utilize the potential lock-in factor that the proprietary parts of Sailfish and the CLA’d components bring.
PMOS is certainly not in a usable state for the average person yet, which is why I suggest people donate to it so it can become more polished and support more phones.
Having a CLA like that just screams “Were going to monetize all of this one day” lol
Exactly, it’s like a corporate wolf in FLOSS clothing, and huge red flag.
Is it just me or do Linux phones not support 5g
The new Jolla phone does support it
It’s just you. I can’t really disprove a negative, but e.g. SailfishOS supports 5G.
You can’t prove a negative. You can disprove a negative simply by showing an example. Which you just did.
I heard they cause aids too
I know I’m in the minority, but I find acceptable. I haven’t sideloaded anything in a while, but this just means waiting a week when I get a new phone. Usually it takes me longer than that to fully migrate, so it’s like a non issue.
Nah fuck that, I’d like to install the apps I use on day one not wait a week, most things I use come from F-Droid.
A non issue for you, but extremely annoying and privacy invasive nonetheless, you’re just fine with annoying privacy violations.
It’s not an issue for me and for 99.998% of users out there. I know it’s hard to believe on lemmy, but the average user doesn’t even know what sideloading is, let alone needing it.
Well then why make it harder and more invasive for those who do use it? You work for google or something?
To avoid scams and security problems, pr disasters if it happens, revenue loss… Same reason iOS doesn’t allow it.
Whether I work for Google or not shouldn’t matter, but glad you think that, I’ll take it as a compliment.
But the main problem is if we give Google an inch they are gonna go a freaking light year.
It’s google’s platform, there’s nothing to give them. They have shown for the last 2 decades they take decisions based on money and whiny powerusers and tech reviewers are not their main concern. Downvote all you want, obviously it’s not what people want to hear, but it’s the reality.
Yeah the only thing we can do in this relationship is NOT give them our business. Which I, ironically, say as a Google pixel owner.
It’s their restaurant they get to make their food however they want and if we don’t like it we just don’t eat there.
Personally I’m looking to change os but when it comes time to replace my phone I’ll be buying European or Asian. If I can rid myself of American businesses in my life, I’ll feel much better.
Yep, I agree. However, the only other viable option is even worse. When I was younger I had time to play with Linux phones, I even dailyed two of them for over a year each. Nowadays I just don’t care that much.
All for a scam, that rarely happens…
and worse, scams that are ALL over the play store
De-googled Android ROMs:
- GrapheneOS
- LineageOS
- /e/ OS
- Volla OS
Non-android, non-apple smartphones:
- Pinephone
- Pinephone pro
- Librem 5
- Volla Phone 22
- Jolla Phone
- FuriPhone FLX1s
And pretty much every feature phone out there (way too many to list)
De-googled Android ROMs:
Aren’t most of them de-googled? Usually you install gApps separately, unless that’s changed
Non-android, non-apple smartphones:
Not non-android out of the box, but just to add to your list: Ubuntu reports that nearly everything except VoLTE works on the Fairphone 4 and 5, but sadly they don’t support the 6 yet. PostMarketOS shows more issues
I would guess that most Android ROMs are OEM ones that are not degoogled (and have the added spyware of Cellular Service Providers or phone brands), I’m not familiar enough with AOSP Stock Images to make a judgment on those, and the rest that I know of—which are actively maintained and have been around long enough brand-recognition that I trust them to be non-glitchy and spyware free—comprise the above list.
If you got more suggestions, I will gladly add them to the list though.
Ubuntu reports that nearly everything except VoLTE works on the Fairphone 4 and 5
Oh snap, so is that UBPorts? I’m not sure how to classify that tbh, I might need a 3rd category that’s Linux Phone OSes that work on Android-focused phones. Actually, just looking at it rn and it looks like PostMarket claims to support over 700 devices…
FuriLabs mentioned 😲🥹
I absolutely love my FLX1s
I don’t have them, they just come up in a search for “Linux-based Phone.” Please share your experience if you have the time! People need to know what they’re getting into!
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Graphene os is a good alternative to android. Its privacy and security focused, and also does not come with google serviced preinstalled. The only problem is that its only supported on google pixels, and porting it to other devices is impossible.
Didn’t I hear that they’re planning to release graphene on Motorola?
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Thats it, planned, and not yet released. But its good that at least in future there will be more options for a smartphone with foss operating system.
Also, while in practice it would propably never happen, i hope that in the future, more smartphone makers will put alternative operating systems on their phones, or at least make it easier to install third party operating systems on their phones, like it is done on googles own pixels.
Yes, that will be my next phone provided the price is decent and it has a headphone jack and everything else I need
I’m hoping for a MicroSD card slot. I’m on a Note 20 Ultra which I planned to run for far longer but it got the infamous “random green line out of nowhere” problem. I think Sony is the only one who still puts it in flagships
Pretty much. On a Sony Xperia 1 V and it works great (best phone I’ve ever had). Downside is that the bootlocker for the US version is locked (AT&T thing) so I can’t just put lineageos on it or something, so I’ve been on the lookout for a replacement recently, and the pickings are pretty sparse.
I’m probably gonna have to ride out the stupid Google bullshit for a few months until there is a decent alternative, as the graphene phone from Motorola probably won’t be released this year (and even then it probably won’t have a headphone jack and a micro SD card slot) and pretty much all of the Linux phones available now don’t really meet my needs (also no headphone jack on something like the jolla phone, which as someone used to Linux for years, I know Bluetooth headphones aren’t much of a solid option).
Shoot I also recently got the freaking green line a few weeks ago. Yeah I also refuse to have a phone without a microsd option, why TF are they doing away with that?
To sell cloud storage.
It seems reasaonable though except the one day wait, but in the end it’s still fine.
I mean, getting verified as a developer is a similar pain in the ass in other ecosystems. I recently got an LG smart TV and the developer mode there automatically runs out and deletes all unofficial apps after 9999h if you don’t manually go into the developer app and extend the time.
My hot take is that you shouldn’t have to claim that you’re a developer to sideload content. It should be allowed for normal users 🤷
Okay so why not fork android and do everything foss?
Stolen from elsewhere:
You are not getting screwed on this. Google is just applying lube.
I am not 100% clear on this. Is sideloading different from installing an APK from unknown source by simply taping on it?
It should be just called installing, but they call it sideloading to make it sound shady and complicated.
No that is side loading, and they’re making it more difficult
If I understood correctly, installing an app from any source that’s not GooglePlay or the official app store of the device manufacturer is ‘side loading’ in that regard. Thus, this also applies to e.g. F-Droid or Aurora.
